From: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com (rawlife-digest) To: rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Subject: rawlife-digest V1 #278 Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Sender: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Errors-To: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Precedence: bulk rawlife-digest Saturday, June 24 2000 Volume 01 : Number 278 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:44:15 -0400 From: attuner Subject: Re: Natures First Law /organic is bad? - --=====================_16574104==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed YES! LIFE IS GRAND and there's so much to learn ( and i do not mean as in getting more PhD's which someone said stands for "piled higher and deeper"). neil At 04:50 PM 06/22/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Great Organic tales from the crypt! Thanks for sharing them! > I've heard many times that stress is as harmful or more harmful than >anything one could put in their mouth so, if that's true, and I basically >believe that it is, better to back off and let those worm and dirt phobics >feel at ease with their pesticides! >Isn't life grand?? >Barbara > >--- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html >subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net - --=====================_16574104==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" YES! LIFE IS GRAND and there's so much to learn ( and i do not mean as in getting more PhD's which someone said stands for "piled higher and deeper"). neil

At 04:50 PM 06/22/2000 -0400, you wrote:
Great Organic tales from the crypt! Thanks for sharing them!
 I've heard many times that stress is as harmful or more harmful than
anything one could put in their mouth so, if that's true, and I basically
believe that it is, better to back off and let those worm and dirt phobics
feel at ease with their pesticides!
Isn't life grand??
Barbara

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- --=====================_16574104==_.ALT-- - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Re(2): Plagiarism: You Decide Dear Jo, Thank you for such a reasonable and well-written post! Best wishes, Dave Rosenbaum Bothell, WA On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Jo Yoshida wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > >I still have seen no proof of plagiarism....and I read the archives. > > Perhaps we don't share the same definition of plagiarism. ;) > > >Innocent till proven guilty.....you speak as if you know something for > >sure and you don't. > > I've never ever told you what you know. Please offer me the same > courtesy by not assuming what I know or do not know. I'm only > expressing my observations. > > From the paragraph by paragraph comparison, it's very clear to me > that the sequences of sentences, grammar, and individual words are > largely IDENTICAL. I can't even say that one paraphrases the other > unless substituting more contemporary vocabulary constitutes as such > (and it doesn't). Since Mr. Hovannessian's work predates NFL's, I can > only conclude that Nature's First Law is not original, nor is it, I > suspect, even derivative to anyone with minimal literary acumen. > > But I'll ask a magazine editor / English major to look at the > comparisons as well. > > >What I'm saying is that unity is important and we > >need to stand by the people that are helping us and others, not jump on > >every rumor bandwagon. > > Unity is understandably helpful but not at the expense of ethics and > responsible citizenship. > > >If something was proven 100% or admitted, then > >we can make decisions from there. I have heard rumors like this about > >every "pioneer" in this field and in the spiritual world as well. > > This is where we diverge. Myself and others in the raw community are > satisfied that the burden of proof has been met. If NFL is aware of > this (and I feel they are from their previous postings on the issue), > then by refusing to apologize and admit to the plagiarism, they only > highlight their lack of integrity in dealing with the public. This is > what disappoints me more than anything else. > > But then there are so many more knowledgeable and experienced people > in the field. > > >It's so interesting to me how people are so quick to believe the worst > >about others. Very negative energy. > > I am the last person to focus on negativity. You can take that to the > bank. On the other hand, I'll do my best not to conveniently brush > aside information because it challenges my view of things. Now THAT > would be negative. > > >Shame, Shame, Shame......tsk, tsk, tsk..... > > Jeff, I feel no shame whatsoever for bringing attention to > information that contradicts what others on this list have observed. > > At the risk of being too intrusive, may I suggest you stand back and > isolate this issue without personal attachments? ie. pretend you're > not a raw vegan, you've never met Mr. Wolfe, etc. > > Cheers, > Jo > > --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html > subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net > - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:49:46 -0700 From: "Sharon Bergida" Subject: Raw/LifeFood/Living food/organic/vegan potluck in Sedona, Arizona... Hi all, Once again we are at the weekend, and have no place to hold this weeks potluck. Does anyone have any ideas? We welcome all suggestions, and completely appreciate all who would love to host, and all who have already hosted an event.... I believe we have a place for next weekend, and one weekend in July... I'll let you know, both by email, and we will post a flyer at New Frontiers. Also, if you know of anyone who would be interested in attending, please spread the word.. We are looking for an official name for our group...any ideas? We are also in the process of setting up and confirming dates for the Fall Full Spectrum Living Lecture Series. It sounds really exciting... We have speakers lined up through March 2001.. Dr. David Jubb is coming back to Sedona in August.... If anyone is interested in Organic Skin Care, and a possible business opportunity...let me know.. and check out this amazingly informative website www.fullspectrumliving.freelife.com You can also call this number for a 3 minute talk on the reasons why you need to be aware of what you are putting on your skin... 1 877 382-2657 It is free, and very interesting. Look forward to connecting with, and seeing you all soon, Sharon (Firefly) - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:03:29 -0500 From: "Curt & Jane Jensen" Subject: Re: Raw/LifeFood/Living food/organic/vegan potluck in Sedona, Arizona... Please send me imformation on organic skin care. Jane - -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Bergida To: Sharon Bergida Date: Saturday, June 24, 2000 12:01 AM Subject: Raw/LifeFood/Living food/organic/vegan potluck in Sedona, Arizona... >Hi all, >Once again we are at the weekend, and have no place to hold this weeks >potluck. > >Does anyone have any ideas? > >We welcome all suggestions, and completely appreciate all who would love to >host, and all who have already hosted an event.... > >I believe we have a place for next weekend, and one weekend in July... >I'll let you know, both by email, and we will post a flyer at New Frontiers. > >Also, if you know of anyone who would be interested in attending, please >spread the word.. > >We are looking for an official name for our group...any ideas? > >We are also in the process of setting up and confirming dates for the Fall >Full Spectrum Living Lecture Series. It sounds really exciting... We have >speakers lined up through March 2001.. > >Dr. David Jubb is coming back to Sedona in August.... > >If anyone is interested in Organic Skin Care, and a possible business >opportunity...let me know.. > >and check out this amazingly informative website >www.fullspectrumliving.freelife.com > >You can also call this number for a 3 minute talk on the reasons why you >need to be aware of what you are putting on your skin... 1 877 382-2657 It >is free, and very interesting. > >Look forward to connecting with, and seeing you all soon, >Sharon (Firefly) > > > > >--- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html >subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:58:44 EDT From: BARBSKEE@aol.com Subject: Re: Natures First Law (who's counting, & what's the second law?) Forrest- I definately believe that it is in your best interest to accept the fact that David does not live up to your standards and never will. Thank the universe we all get to decide how we feel. I love and respect alot of people that are not perfect....Everyone, I guess. Have some fun today let's try to forgive each other just for the hell of it. Not for them, mind you, but for our peace of mind. Enough of this...Forrest-go ahead-have the last word. It appears that you need it. Barbara - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:10:07 -0600 From: Jo Yoshida Subject: Re: Natures First Law (who's counting, & what's the second law?) >I definately believe that it is in your best interest to accept the fact that >David does not live up to your standards and never will. Thank the universe >we all get to decide how we feel. I love and respect alot of people that are >not perfect....Everyone, I guess. >Have some fun today let's try to forgive each other just for the hell of it. >Not for them, mind you, but for our peace of mind. >Enough of this...Forrest-go ahead-have the last word. It appears that you >need it. Hi Barbara, Your post was directed to Forest but I'd like to comment if I may. As an individual, I'd like to refrain from expecting others to meet my standards or to adopt my world view. I can't say that I NEVER do this. If someone walks into my house and slaps on a Spice Girls CD, I'm more likely to replace it with John Coltrane -- quickly! But over the years it's been getting easier and easier to let go. It is fortunate that we all have the power to decide how we feel about external events or other people. For I accept the fact that the medical industry is squandering huge sums of money and resources on allopathic treatments; that patients largely subscribe to these treatments rather than determine their own level of health through self-education. However, as a person with a keen interest in MY health and fitness, I don't have to like it. And I want to continue to explore resources available to me. Belonging to this list group (and others) is one avenue. I also accept the fact that members of NFL have brazenly displayed intellectual dishonesty by plagiarizing the works of others and continuing to ignore these infractions by selling their first title. But as a writer, I don't have to like it. And because NFL have marketed themselves as cutting edge educators and writers of health and raw food diets, I WILL hold them to a minimal level of integrity and competence. I don't feel such standards are overly stringent. I am very calm and clear about their plagiarism. Also, I don't get the sense that Forest is agitated by this issue. He's simply indicating an irregularity that he has observed with the group, and that until it's resolved, NFL's integrity is suspect (Forest, if I'm off base here please correct me). Barbara (and to other list members), I know you're tired of this thread, but do you really feel that this issue is about forgiveness and having fun? If we refuse to discuss matters that involve the credibility of the raw food community on a forum such as this, how does that reflect on our commitment to honesty and openness? Do you not feel that it's worthwhile to encourage those in leadership roles who represent the community at large to abide by intellectual and copyright laws? "I've met him and he's a nice guy" is one observation. Another is the on-line documentation which can be read by anyone on this list. If the two don't jive, then does it not behoove us to further examine the inconsistency? Sincerely, Jo PS: I hope I don't get the last word on this! - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:20:36 EDT From: Underfog@aol.com Subject: Intro Hello fellow raw food enthusiasts! I was first introduced to the raw food diet last summer. I am not a purist but I am very excited about the increasing amount of raw food that has come into my diet. I look forward to being a part of this ongoing dialogue. Jim Thomas Aptos, CA - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:15:56 -1000 From: Forest Subject: nature's first agreement! consensus BARBSKEE@aol.com wrote: > > Forrest- > I definately believe that it is in your best interest to accept the fact that > David does not live up to your standards and never will. i believe we are all perfect just the way we are on some level (unconditional love).i also believe all people have the ability to grow and change and evolve. Thank the universe > we all get to decide how we feel. ya, right on sounds good to me, create our own reality. I love and respect alot of people that are > not perfect....Everyone, I guess. yes, i do too, i agree, i get the impression that you feel i am aloof, but i really don't think so, i'll be the first to admit i'm not perfect. i been thru the mill tryin to form extended families for years and so i'm a bit wary of all huWoMans, but i haven't given up and i keep evolving the process. eccentric maybe :-) > Have some fun today let's try to forgive each other just for the hell of it. ya, you have some fun too. i do forgive people while at the same time holding them accountable for the heaven of it. > Not for them, mind you, but for our peace of mind. for the good of all if possible. > Enough of this...Forrest-go ahead-have the last word. It appears that you > need it. barbara, i do not want to have the last word, in the spirit of trancendance of polarity there is no beginning and end. i support the continuum concept. let's keep sharing words until they turn to music....... all we need is love. aloha and peace, forest for earth releaf. - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:16:44 -1000 From: Forest Subject: Re: Raw/LifeFood/Living food/organic/vegan potluck in Sedona, Arizona... hi jane, heard somethin interesting about L-ascorbic acid as a skin rejuvenator, i wonder what fruit or vege has a lotta that, it's part of the vitamin c complex i think. anyone out there wannna add more, i'm not too informed on the details. Curt & Jane Jensen wrote: > > Please send me imformation on organic skin care. - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:01:31 -0600 From: "Ren Olson" Subject: raw foodism legitimacy Please change the subject lines in responses (at least a little)...I am losing my bearings reading all of this... Jo is right on about the importance of the real subject matter here! (below) "...do you really feel that this issue is about forgiveness and having fun? If we refuse to discuss matters that involve the credibility of the raw food community on a forum such as this, how does that reflect on our commitment to honesty and openness?" If we do not talk about uncomfortable subjects, unsettling thoughts, or even "rumors"...we may end up CREATING FALSE DOCTRINE OF OUR OWN!!! About NFL specifically...will I be able to trust their sources in the future? Can I respect them? What is true and what is not? It is hard enough without all of this extra...shhh-tuff. Really, I would be happy if they would stop artificially blowing up their image to be what they want the world to percieve them as...JUST BE......and BE darn good! That is all I expect from them if they want these titles and respect. ...at least a mark has been made (NFLs great publicity & visability)...and now we can make a fair measure by making more marks to contrast and compare by... With love, Ren From: "Jo Yoshida" > >I definately believe that it is in your best interest to accept the fact that > >David does not live up to your standards and never will. Thank the universe > >we all get to decide how we feel. I love and respect alot of people that are > >not perfect.... > Barbara (and to other list members), I know you're tired of this > thread, but do you really feel that this issue is about forgiveness > and having fun? If we refuse to discuss matters that involve the > credibility of the raw food community on a forum such as this, how > does that reflect on our commitment to honesty and openness? Do you > not feel that it's worthwhile to encourage those in leadership roles > who represent the community at large to abide by intellectual and > copyright laws? - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:20:42 -0700 From: Linda Subject: David Wolfe in Pacific NW Yes, David is coming to Seattle and Port Townsend! For more info, check www.rawseattle.org. The Boutenko's will be catering! Here is the schedule. Thursday, September 7, He's in Port Townsend at the Annapurna Inn. Contact Robin Sharan @ 1-800-868-2662 for more information. Friday, September 8, He's in Seattle. From 6-8 pm. Full gourmet dinner with lecture and book signing- $30 Saturday, September 9, From 3-8 pm. Seminar & dinner - $75 $95 for both days, when registered in advance. Personal Coaching with David: 1/2 hr. sessions - $75. Limited sessions available. Please pre-register. PARTY with David and Sequoia! Saturday night after seminar. Stay tuned for more information. To register, call Linda Reeves at 206-381-6840 or Michele Conrad at 425-398-1673. to register by email, write: liveintheraw@hotmail.com PLEASE NOTE: This email address is NO LONGER in use! As of today! If you want to email me directly, please use: lreeves@cngc.com. Thanks so much.....Stay peaceful.....I've really enjoyed this list serve. Peace Linda Reeves - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ End of rawlife-digest V1 #278 ***************************** --- RAWLIFE-DIGEST - faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net