From: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com (rawlife-digest) To: rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Subject: rawlife-digest V1 #896 Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Sender: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Errors-To: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Precedence: bulk rawlife-digest Tuesday, February 19 2002 Volume 01 : Number 896 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:38:04 -0500 From: "Laurie" Subject: Re: [rawlife] YOUR TEETH ARE ILL BECAUSE YOUR DIGESTIVE TRACT IS ILL - ----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of JR Ellis " To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:05 AM Subject: [rawlife] YOUR TEETH ARE ILL BECAUSE YOUR DIGESTIVE TRACT IS ILL > YOUR TEETH ARE ILL BECAUSE YOUR DIGESTIVE TRACT IS ILL. DON'T TREAT YOUR TEETH BUT HELP HEAL YOUR TEETH BY WATER FASTING > Laurie wrote:The issue is not so much 'decay', but that the strong acids in acid > fruit (citrus, pineapple, ...) dissolve the calcium out of the tooth matrix > immediately on contact. OK, now here is the challenge to "Dr Bernarr", who claims not only to be closer to God than most, but to have "healed" thousands of people. I tried meditation to help my teeth for over 20 years, with no results. Since you can do this so much better than the rest of us, YOU meditate to restore my teeth, and I will report the results, or lack of them, here. Obviously, "God" can do this in an instant. Laurie _____ Get my diet articles: http://www.ecologos.org/articles.htm news:alt.food.vegan.science Scientifically credible info on veg*n diets. Bust SPAMMERS! http://spamcop.net/ uce@ftc.gov - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:48:13 -0500 From: "Laurie" Subject: Re: [rawlife] NEVER MIX YOUR FOODS WHEN YOU EAT THEM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of JR Ellis " To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:05 AM Subject: [rawlife] NEVER MIX YOUR FOODS WHEN YOU EAT THEM >... you eat the most complex foods at that meal, last. How does one calculate the "complexity" of foods, plant materials have dozens to hundreds of different compounds in them. > He showed that when a food is taken to which the body has not been accustomed, > the digestive juices have to "learn" to secrete the proper juice for its digestion. "Accustomed"?? If the human species has not become "accustomed" to animal flesh after eating it for millions of years, does this not prove that there is no possible way to become "accustomed" to inappropriate foods? > The adaptation of the digestive juices to the new food, requires time. There is not one scrap of scientifically-credible evidence that suggests new enzymes are created as a function of eating an inappropriate food. Enzyme production is controlled by the DNA, and that does not change as a function of what we do. Or course, if you can supply some real science to back up your outrageous claims, I'd really like to see it. Otherwise, one can not just make up biochemistry. Laurie _____ Get my diet articles: http://www.ecologos.org/articles.htm news:alt.food.vegan.science Scientifically credible info on veg*n diets. Bust SPAMMERS! http://spamcop.net/ uce@ftc.gov - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:54:04 -0500 From: "Laurie" Subject: Re: [rawlife] IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ILL WITHOUT HAVING SYMPTOMS - ----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of JR Ellis " To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:05 AM Subject: [rawlife] IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ILL WITHOUT HAVING SYMPTOMS > IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ILL WITHOUT HAVING SYMPTOMS > Laurie wrote to Bob Avery "Re: Hg in the body > >What if there is something "hidden" going on? BA> As long as it remains hidden, no problem. LF> Oh, you mean like the average person that is totally unaware of 'hidden' high blood pressure and 'hidden' severe arterial disease/occlusion, until he dies of his first heart-attack??" DB> Every pathology and physiological dysfunction produces a concomitant symptomatology in all human beings. It is a FACT that people DIE of their first heart attack or first stroke; this without them having any symptoms. Are you using your magic, personal "God power" to deny this reality? Are you claiming they are really NOT dead? Are you claiming sub-clinical mercury poisoning really does -not- do neurological damage, UNTIL overt symptoms are evident? Laurie _____ Get my diet articles: http://www.ecologos.org/articles.htm news:alt.food.vegan.science Scientifically credible info on veg*n diets. Bust SPAMMERS! http://spamcop.net/ uce@ftc.gov - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:04:06 -0500 From: "Laurie" Subject: Re: [rawlife] garlic, bloodwork, B12 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal R. Haley" To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [rawlife] garlic, bloodwork, B12 > > and since I know people whose refusal to take any supplement (including B12) >> ended in irreversible neurological damage due to a severe B12 deficiency, > Some pernicious anemia symptoms and some mercury poisoning symptoms overlap, > and there also seems to be a connection between the two. Pernicious anemia is NOT caused by deficient dietary B-12; it is caused by lack of 'intrinsic factor' which the body is supposed to make so the B-12 can be absorbed. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000569.htm#causesAndRisk Laurie _____ Get my diet articles: http://www.ecologos.org/articles.htm news:alt.food.vegan.science Scientifically credible info on veg*n diets. Bust SPAMMERS! http://spamcop.net/ uce@ftc.gov - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:55:17 EST From: Dolfundancer@cs.com Subject: Re: [rawlife] IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ILL WITHOUT HAVING SYMPTOMS - --part1_12b.c8afb98.29a2fc75_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you go laurie!! i have no idea where this "doctor" got his education, but i will warn you that his arrogance will stunt your conversation with him. good luck! i replied, and have since found better things to do than battle with a "health" provider with ego centric testosterone poisoning! dr. leanna - --part1_12b.c8afb98.29a2fc75_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you go laurie!!
i have no idea where this "doctor" got his education, but i will warn you that his arrogance will stunt your conversation with him.
good luck!
i replied, and have since found better things to do than battle with a "health" provider with ego centric testosterone poisoning!
dr. leanna - --part1_12b.c8afb98.29a2fc75_boundary-- - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:10:15 -0500 From: Bob Avery Subject: Re: [rawlife] [rawlife) toothpaste and mouthwash Pat, >This has stood me in good stead so far (& I'm 54). Hey, so am I (for another few weeks). >I do make sure I include nutritional yeast in my diet (loaded with minerals, B vitamins, including B12), miso You realize neither is raw, right? I used to eat them both once upon a time, now eat neither. Bob Avery ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 01:35:33 +0000 From: forest Subject: Re: [rawlife] examples of great health Mark Hovila wrote: > How many long term (let's say 10 years or more following the program) > hygienists and raw fooders have you met? i don't know, i been hanging out with that crowd for years, i can't watch and interview them all, but i seen enough to know they are perhaps slightly above average, but not much......this is just me opinion, i have no hard facts or scientific data to back it up, just as natural hygiene and raw foods have little or no data to back up all their claims... oh, they may have claims and testimonies and even some minimal science stuff that makes some sense, but i just don't see an obvious noticable out in yer face radiant health there yet.....just me opinion in the moment.......i like doug grahams energy,but do we even know he is one hundred percent hygiene or raw?.....i heard someone say they saw viktoras at the seven elevan near the portland raw food fest drinking coffee..... i have met a few new age *health conscious in many ways??*lite eating sad eaters who i thought looked pretty healthy for their age too....one interesting thing to do would be to interview the oldest age group at the triathalon in hawaii and see what they eat and other health factors they attribute to their abilities... i bet very few are raw or natural hygiene but i could be wrong... i bet they all experiment with diet tho in some way..... > How would you compare their health > to that of the general population? are you talking about the general population of people in the US or say a third world country like guatemala. because so many factors come into play... the US is becoming known for it's overconsuming energy, and i see that in raw and hygiene circles as well as the masses...for instance a lotta raw fooders get little or no exercise, whereas many in third world do and despite their sad diets (in moderation) maintain pretty good health, whereas many raw fooders or natural hygienists eat out of health food stores in unhealthy unnatural city environments.... you folks want simple answers to complex multi factor health issues and imho it is not so easy and often i feel we jump to conclusions. ...i would say if people took all factors of natural hygiene as serious as the food one and other physical ones we would start to see some better examples, but so far i do not see much of that....doug graham is a sports activist, that is probalbly a big factor in why i see him as a good example.....i just hope he gets back to the garden before too long, all that traveling around to do lectures and money based economy life style may shorten his "fastest gun in the west" position.....i don't know really, just guessing and sharing feelings..... > Since I have never been to a raw food convention and seldom go to potlucks, > I've personally only met a handful of people who fall in that category. > They seemed to be in great shape. One of them told me she was on the list > to have a liver transplant before her husband rescued her from the hospital > and put her on raw foods. i bet there are many sad eaters who felt their liver transplant rescued them and allowed them to have a productive life ...whatever our belief system, if we believe strongly enough, we will defend it with many "proofs", examples, testimonials, etc. don't get me wrong, i actually believe in the natural hygiene approach, i am mostly trying to show how we can easily turn it into a fundamentalist religion and thereby loose site of other equally important factors.... i see many raw and natural hygienists doing that these days and it alarms me enough to want to share me opinion...... > But even if you have met a lot of these people, I think it would be hard to > draw any definite conclusions unless you sat down with each of them and had > a thorough discussion of their health history. the same could be said for any health regime, and who has the time or energy to do that or wants to... i suspect tho we are all looking pretty carefully at the situation and discussion groups like this are cool, because they allow us to share opinions and ideas to round out and perhaps get a broader perspective of the issues..... > I guess what I'm saying is that I think your statement above may be based on > inadequate information. imho most all *me* statements and *other's*) statements are based on inadequate information and are mostly just opinions. i respect and honor some peoples opinions because i can see, feel, sense that they walk their talk and or are careful and more thorough in their investigations... > For all we know, there may be tons of examples of > great health in this movement. and other movements as well..... > But since they aren't written up in medical > journals or the popular press, we have to dig a little harder to find out > about them. ya, so lets keep digging around a bit, haleluyah...... - -- forest forest@talk-story.net http://www.lavazone2.com/forest - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:30:57 -0600 From: "Jay Banks" Subject: Re: [rawlife] salt, braggs Laurie wrote: > Salt (sodium chloride) is exactly the same molecule, regardless of the > source. > Salt -added- to "food" is the problem, not the chemistry or source of > it. While you can debate if salt added to food is a poison or not, you are wrong about salt being salt, regardless of the source. There is a big difference between Celtic sea salt and your garden variety of table salt. Normal table salt has been heated to an extremely high temperature, making it even more of a problem for your body. Yes, a person probably shouldn't use Celtic sea salt, either. But it is far, far better than the heavily-processed table salt found on tables across the country. Dr. Norman Walker, D.Sc. wrote: The "regular" Table Salt is composed of insoluble inorganic elements. Varicose veins, hardening of the arteries and other ailments have been traced to the excessive use of this type of salt. Salt is necessary in the generation and functions of digestive fluids in the system. Without salt good digestion is virtually impossible, but such salt must be entirely soluble in water. Every cell in the body is constantly bathed in a solution of saline water, and if this is not maintained at its required level dehydration sets in. In the commercial production of TABLE SALT extremely high temperatures are used running around 1500°F to solidify the salt with additives and adulterants to coat the salt crystals to cause the salt to pour readily under nearly all conditions. Such salt is not completely water soluble. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:41:29 EST From: TROMPAJO@aol.com Subject: [rawlife] Glass Ionomers In a message dated 2/18/02 5:27:40 PM, "Laurie" writes: << A much better material is glass ionomer >> A quick web search turned up this information about glass ionomers: "Glass-ionomers - a product developed in England - is a mix of glass and acrylic (poly-acrylic acid). In most respects, this material does not compare favorably to the composites. It is not as strong, does not always match color and is not as smooth. Glass-ionomers do have a few advantages: They have a superior bond to tooth structure in most conditions. They release fluoride, which prevents returning tooth decay. They almost universally do not require freezing to place the filling." Personally, I would consider "releasing fluoride" a HUGE reason to avoid glass ionomers. Ronn - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:27:10 -0800 From: "Barbara Cohen" Subject: RE: [rawlife] ALL ILLNESS WILL SELF-HEAL, IF YOU "FEEL" YOUR SYMPTOMS UNTIL ASYMPTOMATIC Barbara Cohen Irvine, California - -----Original Message----- From: owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com [mailto:owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com]On Behalf Of Laurie Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:27 PM To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Subject: Re: [rawlife] ALL ILLNESS WILL SELF-HEAL, IF YOU "FEEL" YOUR SYMPTOMS UNTIL ASYMPTOMATIC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of JR Ellis " To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 3:07 AM Subject: [rawlife] ALL ILLNESS WILL SELF-HEAL, IF YOU "FEEL" YOUR SYMPTOMS UNTIL ASYMPTOMATIC > IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ILL WITHOUT HAVING SYMPTOMS How about all those people who -die- with their first stroke or heart attack that had no -obvious- symptoms? Laurie _____ Get my diet articles: http://www.ecologos.org/articles.htm news:alt.food.vegan.science Scientifically credible info on veg*n diets. Bust SPAMMERS! http://spamcop.net/ uce@ftc.gov - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:55:23 -0500 From: Pat Newson Subject: RE: [rawlife] My small experiences with teeth problems - ------ =_NextPart_000_01C1B8C2.FD95BE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to tell a bit about my teeth problem experiences. I stayed = away from dentists until I was about 30 years old (& could afford a = dentist). (I was not yet vegan - still a SAD eater.) The dentist was = amazed at the health my teeth were in considering how long since I'd = been to a dentist (now I wonder if it was because of not going to a = dentist. Nonetheless, the dentist found stuff with which to occupy himself & = drilled away. Over the years I have received many fillings. (I have = never done anything about the mercury aspect.) But, a few years ago, feeling dissillusioned with dentists, I decided to = not go again. Since, I have had one filling fall out after chomping = down on an olive pit and another just fell out on the other side of my = mouth. Extreme sensitivity, raw root exposed. When it was at it's most = raw and painful I did what I do to wounds my dogs get - I rinsed with = salt water, twice a day. If it didn't hurt, I ignored it. Mind, I keep = my teeth clean with brushing (sometimes with toothpaste, sometimes with = soap, sometimes with just water; I floss, use a toothpick & scrape with = my fingernails.) And, amazingly, both cavities are still there, the = holes, at least, but no pain. It has been about 5 years. I figure the = cavities are like wounds & they have healed over. Also surprising for = me is that the partial teeth have not yet fallen out - I have been = expecting that, but it hasn't happened. p.s. I am 54 years old. I = have now been vegan for about 7 years - have always included lots of raw = in my diet (miso, salads, sprouts, greens, fruits). I have been moving = more toward raw, but do still eat some cooked foods. Actually, have = recently purchased a Green Life juicer which does wheat grass (fabulous = juicer - the juice is creamy, marvellous texture & taste), so my husband = & I now have a couple of huge glasses per day of = apple-carrot-lemon-wheatgrass juice (& put a few ounces in each of the = dogs' dinners). =20 & we are all thriving. I was saying I assume I have mercury fillings & = simply cannot afford to do anything about them, so leave them. Perhaps = eating lots of sprouts & miso, both of which are supposed to carry away = heavy metals, perhaps these are working. Love to read all the commentary on rawlife. I'm learning so much. Pat Newson, Courtenay, Vancouver Island, B.C. Canada - -----Original Message----- From: Laurie [SMTP:laurie@the-beach.net] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:38 PM To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Subject: Re: [rawlife] YOUR TEETH ARE ILL BECAUSE YOUR DIGESTIVE TRACT = IS ILL - ----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of JR Ellis " To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:05 AM Subject: [rawlife] YOUR TEETH ARE ILL BECAUSE YOUR DIGESTIVE TRACT IS = ILL > YOUR TEETH ARE ILL BECAUSE YOUR DIGESTIVE TRACT IS ILL. DON'T TREAT = YOUR TEETH BUT HELP HEAL YOUR TEETH BY WATER FASTING > Laurie wrote:The issue is not so much 'decay', but that the strong = acids in acid > fruit (citrus, pineapple, ...) dissolve the calcium out of the tooth matrix > immediately on contact. OK, now here is the challenge to "Dr Bernarr", who claims not only = to be closer to God than most, but to have "healed" thousands of people. I tried meditation to help my teeth for over 20 years, with no = results. Since you can do this so much better than the rest of us, YOU = meditate to restore my teeth, and I will report the results, or lack of them, = here. Obviously, "God" can do this in an instant. Laurie _____ Get my diet articles: http://www.ecologos.org/articles.htm news:alt.food.vegan.science Scientifically credible info on veg*n = diets. Bust SPAMMERS! http://spamcop.net/ uce@ftc.gov - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html - --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/02 - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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I don't care if miso & nutritional yeast are not raw. I think both are = miracle foods just not paid enough attention to in our western = science-dominated culture. There is the story about miso that prevented = radiation fallout disease striking people near one of the nuclear bombs = dropped in Japan. Miso is a centuries-old tradition for good health, & = I trust that. Miso, though with cooked soybeans, is cultured & a 'live' = food, thereby, containing friendly bacteria & enzymes. Apparently has = the ability to carry heavy metals from the body. It is classified as a = 'live' food. Nutritional yeast (Red Star brand) has added B12, plus = does contain an array of B vitamins & other minerals, so I use it = instead of any other form of B12 supplement. I suppose it is dried, but = is it cooked? You would know that. It's probably dried, but I don't = think cooked. The rawlife email thing is the very first I have attached myself to. & = I am enjoying it hugely. I am moving more toward raw foods, but do eat = some cooked. But now sometimes I look at a cooked recipe & think, hey, = I don't need to cook this! For instance, I just made 'banana ketchup' - = a cooked recipe but does not need to be. So, I'm thinking in that = direction. For several years I have been foisting on my family of = husband, two dogs (both rescued - a Great Dane & a Spanish Mastiff) a = 'sprouts & greens' salad with a dressing containing things like apple = cider vinegar, miso, nutritional yeast, raw garlic & ginger (the dreaded = garlic!), whole raw organic lemon, umeboshi plums, flax oil, = extra-virgin olive oil, raw organic tahini - hoo it is sooooooo good) . = We are so healthy. My dogs sparkle, vibrate & shine. None of us is = remotely ill. I'm thinking, no one really knows what goes on inside us, physically. = There's so many opinions. But no one absolutely, really & truly knows. = & mygod, the animals that have endured sadism, suffering, agonized fear = & finally deaths while bioscientists muck around! But, no one really = knows. Bottom line. Yes, we really have no where else to look but to = examples. And they are questionable, few & far between. So, by gar, = I'm going by the seat of my pants, my intuition & if some particular = expert strikes my fancy, even for a time, I'lll go with him/her. Right now, I love Bob Avery, forest & Laurie. Sincerely, with humility & reverence & waiting for lightning......Pat = Newson - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Avery [SMTP:rwavery@juno.com] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:10 PM To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Subject: Re: [rawlife] [rawlife) toothpaste and mouthwash Pat, >This has stood me in good stead so far (& I'm 54). Hey, so am I (for another few weeks). =20 >I do make sure I include nutritional yeast in my diet (loaded with minerals, B vitamins, including B12), miso=20 You realize neither is raw, right? I used to eat them both once upon a time, now eat neither. Bob Avery ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html - --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/02 - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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ABtm - ------ =_NextPart_000_01C1B8C3.067D6820-- - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:08:58 -0500 From: DRBERNARR@aol.com (by way of JR Ellis ) Subject: [rawlife] ALL OF US ARE SICK, PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY & SPIRITUALLY ALL OF US ARE SICK, PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY & SPIRITUALLY Forest Greenwald wrote and criticized Dr. Bernarr as not being the ideal example of someone who lives an exemplary Natural Hygienic life. All illness is caused by wrong physical lifestyle, i.e., incorrect eating, incorrect living habits, wrong mentality, i.e., incorrect thinking and wrong spirituality, incorrect beliefs. None of us in "civilization" are "intelligent" and therefore none of us have correct living, correct thinking and correct spirituality. Perfect health is not found anywhere among mankind in "civilization". All of us in "civilization", sooner or later, become ill, acutely and chronically. Our subsequent well-being or possible crippling and/or death, depends on what we choose to do, when we become ill. Beauty is in the conception of the beholder. Each of us have a different concept of what is beautiful. Some, like you, perhaps believe a beautiful person should be thin. Some, like me, having been a weightlifter, all of my adult life, believe a beautiful person, should be as large and muscular, as is possible. Some of my friends weigh over 400 pounds and are muscular, at that 400 plus bodyweight. Some, like you, believe 400 pounds or so, is "overweight". You have never met me in person, especially you have never seen me nude, i.e., without my wearing any clothes. Anyone who sees me nude, will attest to my not being fat. I weigh over 200 pounds, but I am not fat. I am muscular. I weightlift and run daily. I airbathe and sunbathe daily. I am and have been an exclusive, raw vegan eater for over 50 years. I have successfully helped heal over 100,000 people and animals, world-wide. I live in Santa Monica, California, USA, near the Pacific Ocean, not in "air pollution" Los Angeles, California, as you believe. I love living in Santa Monica Beach. You live in Hawaii. I was in Hawaii during World War 2, when I served in the Military Police and Military Intelligence. Hawaii is a beautiful place to live. But Hawaii is not the only beautiful place to live in the world. Every person in the world, has their own subjective concept, of what is a beautiful place to live. Many people throughout the world, believe that where they are living, is a beautiful place to live. I am not omniscient, neither are you Forest and neither is any other human being. I make a million mistakes daily. I have billions of things wrong with me. You wrote and criticized me for condemning all drugs and garlic, as poisons. There are no drugs, including garlic, (garlic is used as a drug, garlic is not a food), aspirin, antibiotics and chemotherapy, that can conceivably help and save any living being. All drugs are toxic. All drugs kill every living being who takes them. Drugs have no constructive benefits. All drugs suppress symptoms. All drugs by suppressing symptoms, thereby prevent healing and thus aggravate the existing physiological dysfunction and/or pathology. Symptoms must never be suppressed. Symptoms are part of the inherent healing processes of the living body. Suppress symptoms and you prevent healing. I agree with you Forest, that "there are much more factors like social, spiritual, psychological, etc." to achieve and maintain good health than just eating raw, vegan foods. Forest you wrote that Dr. Bernarr has some "flawed, eccentric ideas" about health, which "could be actually dangerous to one's health if taken seriously". Please tell us what are these "flawed, dangerous, eccentric ideas" of Dr. Bernarr, to which you allude? Dr. Bernarr, D.C., D.D. God Healing, Inc. Natural Hygiene Society, Inc. P.O. Box 1523 Santa Monica California 90406 USA Telephone: 310-396-2914; 310-452-0458 Web Site: http://www.healself.org E-mail: drbernarr@aol.com - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ End of rawlife-digest V1 #896 ***************************** --- ******************* END OF POST ****************************** RAWLIFE-DIGEST - faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html