From: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com (rawlife-digest) To: rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Subject: rawlife-digest V1 #710 Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Sender: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Errors-To: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Precedence: bulk rawlife-digest Tuesday, August 14 2001 Volume 01 : Number 710 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:54:26 -0400 From: Bob Avery Subject: Re: [rawlife] What's Behind the Hostility? Nick, >But i still believe there is different stages beyond eating raw vegan food and >even though i may be a long way away from experiencing them,i still want to go as far as i can. It's an exciting journey all right. If you've never tried fasting, I highly recommend doing it now and then. Read Paul Bragg's "The Miracle of Fasting" for motivatation. Jo, >Hi Greg - I'm sure some of the perpetrators of mankind's atrocities >ate meat (although Hitler himself became a vegetarian during the last >several years of his life). Not willingly -- Dr's orders. And he was quite the junk food (sugar, pastry) eater. Probably wouldn't know a raw food if it bit him on the nose. Can you think of any other tyrant who was even a part-time vegetarian? >Of course the stereotyping I mentioned does not apply solely to raw >vegans or fruitarians. I was only describing those individuals I've >encountered on line who cannot participate in a civil debate without >personalizing it. i.e. if you disagree with my dietary lifestyle, >you're attacking me. That's likely the case on any newslist. Maybe you spend a disproportionately large amount of time chatting with vegetarians? >This guy was a 28+ year fruitarian (or so he claimed) and the last I >heard he was arrested for assaulting someone who ridiculed his >dietary choices: Obviously a minority case. Beer-drinking omnivores assault people every day. >But admittedly, there are more than a few who become hostile when their >dietary lifestyle is questioned: Seems to me that's true of nearly everyone I meet, vegetarian or not. >I feel these examples alone challenge any contention that fruitarians >and raw vegans are automatically transformed (through their diet) >into beings of light and love. I don't recall anyone's making this claim, although I will propose that vegetarianism lends some impetus towards a peaceful disposition. No guarantee though. >As per our earlier debate, food >choices do not necessarily bring about personal growth or maturity. >Food choices do not translate directly to spiritual evolution. I agree, but sometimes surprising things do happen though. I had one experience on a 3-day fast once I'm sure I never would have had on my normal diet. Dr. Stanley Bass told me I had gotten in touch with my heart chakra. Amazing. Just this powerful feeling of love for everyone and everything. It didn't persist long when I went back to regular eating, but I surely remember it well. Food choices (and fasting) can definitely unlock (or keep locked) doors in the mind. No question in my mind about that. "Inuit do not eat very much fish, and have never done so. This was also evident from Bang and Dyerberg's studies. On average, they only ate fish once or twice a week" That's a lot by MY standards! We're talking closer to once or twice a year! (:-) I guess it's all relative, but I think that, if those fish have special oils, 2 meals of them a week ought to provide plenty. "Many nations eat much more fish than Greenland, and interestingly enough these nations have a far higher incidence of atherosclerosis." Are they suggesting that raw fish causes atherosclerosis? >I don't know but I'm going to experiment with raw butter in the next >few weeks. It's been like trying to locate a source of kryptonite, Just as hard here unless you live in California. Even harder to find naturally yellow butter with Weston Price's "activator X" in it. >all dairy products sold commercially >(except cheese) must be pasteurized. Those laws are prevalent here as well, and the cheese must be aged at least 2 (or is it 4?) months if it is not pasteurized. So much for a free country! >I sort of did that for a while in Hawai'i but I found the mosquitoes >weren't too selective about their target areas! That's right, I do remember those critters, but I also remember that (a) there are many climates on the Big Island, and the mosquitoes aren't everywhere, (b) some people are less susceptible than others (they bit me less than some others), and (c) you get used to them (or some people do). Their bites are also less annoying than continental mosquitoes for some reason, and they pretty much only get bad at night. I certainly wouldn't forsake Hawaii for that reason! >And so do diet gurus! I'd rather become tuned into my own health than >to have some hip stranger apply his universal theories willy nilly >onto my individual condition. I like to listen to all sides, as well as my own body, and weigh them up somehow. >I haven't concluded as such. I merely pointed out that there does >exist a seemingly contradictory stereotype borne out of hostile >encounters that some people in the raw community have had with rabid >fruitarians. I think a lot of this has to do with the eye of the beholder. I was present on the raw-foods list when some vitriolic exchanges were going on between certain list members and the NFL guys. The list Establishment (which included the moderator) laid all the blame at the feet of the NFL trio, but to these eyes it appeared that they were being deliberately and sometimes savagely baited. I didn't see any pure motives coming from the Establishment side, nor any less rancor. >Of course, such a stereotype goes both ways but then >we're accustomed to labelling carnivores as aggressive and raw vegans >as peaceful. Which all goes to show that people should be treated as individuals and not stereotypes, I suppose. >Is it a universal truth that only fruitarians and raw vegans can >commune with God / evolve spiritually, and if so, what is your basis >for believing this. I would say no, but it might grease the skids. John, >Ones philosophy is based mainly on background, I'll buy that. Witness all the lifelong Democrats and lifelong Republicans in this country whose parents belong to the same parties. >I'm trying Spain first, then maybe far east. If that does not work, then I >get a big gun and start clearing all the nuts out of Africa, so I get some >peace there... or maybe I just join the problem that way LOL ;) Spain sounds interesting to me too, though I've never been there, nor do I speak Espagnol. Greg, >there is much empirical evidence to support the diet-consciousness relationship. I agree with your whole thread. >There are many things involved, remember none of us have yet perfected our diets >(at least I don't think any of us have), Those who have probably don't need this list. >thereby raising the brix level of >produce and making it appear (ie high brix level) that the produce is >minerally well balanced, when it may not be case, a valid point I think >you'll agree. I agree with Taran's analysis. If the food tastes better, it probably is better, and brix correlates with taste. If it tastes better for the wrong reasons (more sugary hybridization), then it will brix better for the same wrong reasons. The refractometer will not substitute for an alert mind. >Glad you acknowledge. If true, then brix at best can only be a rough >guide as to nutritional quality of produce, which is fine if understood >to be such. I think the word "rough" is too disparaging for what it can accomplish. I would prefer "incomplete" or "not definitive." In some ways it exceeds the capability of your tastebuds. This is not "rough." >Yes I suspect so too, but as to whether the higher brix indicates the >produce contains all the trace minerals and in balanced proportions for >optimum human health I have my doubts. I doubt so also, but healthier plants usually do better at achieving balance, and higher brix (for the same genome) plants are healthier, so the odds increase in your favor. >I still feel there would be >strong likelihood of certain minerals compensating for others. This happens in humans also. Some on the brixlist have wondered what brixing of blood would show, but I don't think anyone has investigated that arena. >Also the other main issue is whether high sugar content fruits (ie high >brix) are the most suitable foods for humans nutritionally anyway, I >suspect not. From what I've read, most wild fruits are low in sugar >(even sour). This is tangential to the brix issue. You are talking about genetic differences. >I strongly suspect we may be better off cultivating those >species and varieties of fruits that are less sweet (ie lower brix), Yes, but even with those species you want to maximize brix, or you will have an unhealthy plant. Confucious say: He who eats unhealthy plant takes his chances. >then perhaps we won't suffer the effects of see-sawing blood sugar >levels and the associated adverse effects upon health. Perhaps healthy humans have better blood sugar control. My opinion: Aerobically active individuals do better with blood sugar regulation (probably because they can store more glycogen), than sedentary types, who should perhaps rely to a greater degree on fats, such as nuts and seeds. >Interestingly seedling wild rambutans are usually sour, whereas the >cultivated cloned varieties are sweet. That's all relative, of course. Do you realize that the alliesthetic stop signal for sweet fruits is a taste change to sour? If they taste sour to begin with, it's a sign you should be eating something else instead. >"Although the cassowary is the world's largest frugivore, its natural >diet in the wild often does not reflect our conception of fruit, and >most items included would be viewed as dry, tough and tasteless". We are not cassowaries, of course. I contend that if a food is not absolutely delicious in its natural raw state, then it's not food for us - -- maybe for a cassowary, but not for a human. Kim, >I've been vegan for more than 20 years and raw vegan for the last one year >and I've never felt better in my life. I was never sick on my previous diet >and never took any supplements,- I can't remember the last time I had a cold >and I have a lots of energy and lead an active life. Nice going; you've got me beat. What cooked foods were you eating prior to going raw? >I think people that get deficiences are probably not eating >a balanced diet and consuming enough calories and thats when deficiences >occur. There are also genetic and nonfood environmental differences among us. Keep up the good work! Hal, >FWIW, I seem to have substantially lowered >my testosterone level, or something, based on reduced agressiveness and sex >drive. Same here. Those nuts and seeds bring some of that drive back, but not enough to be annoying. >I developed symptoms of B-12 deficiency at about 3.5. I understand the >body can store several years worth, so always be vigilant, and know what the >symptoms are. Amen! Same here, as you know. Theresa, >for organic hawaiian spirulina: >http://www.nutrex-hawaii.com/ Thanks. I'm not likely to pay $40/lb for it though when I can get dried leafgrass for $9/lb. jr, >i get the flaked variety only Flakes? I've only ever seen pills and powder. I guess I haven't lived. >next time i will get a regular 12 bottle order How much less than $40/lb is that? >without my network up to speed >all i do is shop and read computer books 1 out of 2 ain't bad. >plain red clay from a pottery store can be a really good choice Interesting. That's what Fukuoka recommends for making seedballs. (www.seedballs.com) >i am interested to what others have tried I wallow in the mud as little as possible. Could be a mistake. >6. i am looking for a good dermatologist in the ny area >i want a few small tags and a red dot removed >??? ??? is right! (:-) Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:09:24 -0400 From: Bob Avery Subject: Re: [rawlife] Okinawa Diet / Fats and oils / Omega 3 Revolution Jay, >or there is a cause other than >cholesterol for the drastic increase in heart disease >that we have seen. Don't underestimate chlorinated water. As a population, we have also enormously increased our consumption of dairy and pasteurized dairy. Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:59:00 +0200 From: kleinm@who.ch Subject: RE: [rawlife] fresh frozen algae for Nick & Bob dear Nick (I think) here's what is said to be great algae, I can't get it myself because I live in Europe. - -Vision http://www.e3livealgae.com For the best AFA-algae, dried or fresh frozen and to Bob, >I can get dried leafgrass for $9/lb. what is that? thanks best wishes theresa - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:07:35 +0100 From: "kimberley1" Subject: Re: [rawlife] What's Behind the Hostility? . > > Myself and my buddy Dan have agreed that we find many so called normal > people, so ugly looking and stupid, that we sometimes want these people > killed off when we see crowds of them - it's like they are a monstrocity, a > crime against nature. Is this some mental "imbalance"? Who really knows? In > nature it is not uncommon for wild animals to do anything from refuse to > mate with, to destroy any of their ilk that look ugly or behave a little bit > wrong - but we have "kindness" and pacifism drummed into us by brutal > parents and society that wants us to control ourselves all the time. Hi John, You're not perfect and mankind is brutal and unkind, but we as vegans try to be kind and compassionate? depends what the agenda is? Kim - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:16:02 +0100 From: "Nick Randhel" Subject: Re: [rawlife] fresh frozen algae for Nick & Bob Thanks a lot for for that information on algae,i'm also from Europe but thanks. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [rawlife] fresh frozen algae for Nick & Bob > dear Nick (I think) > here's what is said to be great algae, I can't get it myself because I live > in Europe. > > -Vision > http://www.e3livealgae.com > For the best AFA-algae, dried or fresh frozen > > > and to Bob, > > >I can get dried leafgrass for $9/lb. > > what is that? > thanks > > best wishes > theresa > > > -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html > - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:05:02 +0200 From: kleinm@who.ch Subject: RE: [rawlife] to Nick re algae you can actually order it from them but it has to be a big quantity you can ask if they sell it to a uk distributor, they actually might. best wishes theresa Nick wrote: Thanks a lot for for that information on algae,i'm also from Europe but thanks. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:05:51 -0700 From: "Hal R. Haley" Subject: Re: [rawlife] What's Behind the Hostility? John, > Myself and my buddy Dan have agreed that we find many so called normal people, > so ugly looking and stupid, that we sometimes want these people killed off > when we see crowds of them - it's like they are a monstrocity, a crime against > nature. I'm no Paul Newman; hope you and Dan can see fit to spare me. > Is this some mental "imbalance"? Who really knows? In nature it is not > uncommon for wild animals to do anything from refuse to mate with, to destroy > any of their ilk that look ugly or behave a little bit wrong Humans are "in nature" too, and most of us have a capacity for understanding and compassion not found in other species. I choose to use it. > - but we have "kindness" and pacifism drummed into us by brutal parents My parents were never brutal; sorry if yours were, but I'd get over it and get on with my life. I love kindness, and if pacifism means not desiring conflict, count me as a pacifist.. That doesn't mean I'm a Neville Chamberlain, desiring peace at all costs. I would readily and vigorously defend my life, family, property and country should there be a REAL threat; not just a politically contrived one. > and society that wants us to control ourselves all the time. I'm with you here, and this IS a genuine threat to life, family, property and country. Hal - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:02:44 +0200 From: kleinm@who.ch Subject: RE: [rawlife] for jrellis on shea butter >jrellis wrote: 1. shea butter - it seems to be instantly m favorite body cream does anyone have any info on it here's what I found, I like it too, best wishes, theresa Shea butter comes from the nut of the karite tree found growing in West Africa. Natives have been using shea butter for beautiful skin and hair for generations. As wonderful as shea buter is it is still little known in America. Shea butter is used in the same ways as cocoa butter only shea butter is 10 times creamier. Better yet, shea butter leaves skin as soft as babies, but not greasy. It can also be used to naturally condition hair. Shea butter is extracted from the fruit of the Shea Tree found only in Africa, where it has been used for centuries. Shea butter penetrates deep into the skin and moisurizes, leaving a satiny look and feel. Try it on your dry hands, feet and elbows, cuticles or any other part of your body that needs supreme softening and healing. Shea butter is great for stretch marks too! - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:15:25 EDT From: ZOOMZORK@aol.com Subject: Re: [rawlife] organic Spirulina for Nick - --part1_c4.18e3fc22.28aa9a8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the end of JR's email he mentions skin tags and red dots. I have these too. Why do we get them, how do they remove them, other than for cosmetic reasons, should we have them removed? Are they an indication of another problem in our bodies? Thanks for any advice. - --part1_c4.18e3fc22.28aa9a8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the end of JR's email he mentions skin tags and red dots.  I have these
too.  Why do we get them, how do they remove them, other than for cosmetic
reasons, should we have them removed?  Are they an indication of another
problem in our bodies?  Thanks for any advice. - --part1_c4.18e3fc22.28aa9a8d_boundary-- - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:30:08 +0100 From: "kimberley1" Subject: Re: [rawlife] What's Behind the Hostility? > . > > Nice going; you've got me beat. What cooked foods were you eating prior > to going raw? . > > There are also genetic and nonfood environmental differences among us. > Keep up the good work! > Hi Bob, I was eating a typical vegan high carb diet before;bread, potatoes, lentils. I accept that some people may have some genetic abnormalities and might be unable to eat raw vegan, and lack of food due to enviromental issues, but everybody should try eat a high raw vegan diet. Thanks for the encouragement, whats your diet like? thanks Kim - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:02:31 EDT From: NAMASKA7@aol.com Subject: Re: [rawlife] Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:02:12 +0100 Hi Nick; I recevied this mail from you but I donot know the topic. So the content has no meaning to me. I guess I missed the begining - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:12:09 EDT From: NAMASKA7@aol.com Subject: Re: [rawlife] What's Behind the Hostility? This is a pretty sad situation. Perhap you guy's should seriuosly try the raw diet - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:17:18 -0600 From: Jo Yoshida Subject: Re: [rawlife] What's Behind the Hostility? >Ones philosophy is based mainly on background, not diet. I was once told on >another raw list, which had many rather neurotic and xenophobic >"spiritualists" onboard, that I was not a good example of a fruitarian, I >must be toxic or something - and this was coming from a hypocrit and a liar! >Imagine the nerve of someone actually being opposed to pacifism and >spirtualism - I must be sick!!?? Hi John - which list was this? and who was this hypocrite? (please reply privately if appropriate) Pacifism. I'm not the type to turn the other cheek if someone attacks me or my family. >Myself and my buddy Dan have agreed that we find many so called normal >people, so ugly looking and stupid, that we sometimes want these people >killed off when we see crowds of them - it's like they are a monstrocity, a >crime against nature. Is this some mental "imbalance"? Who really knows? In >nature it is not uncommon for wild animals to do anything from refuse to >mate with, to destroy any of their ilk that look ugly or behave a little bit >wrong - but we have "kindness" and pacifism drummed into us by brutal >parents and society that wants us to control ourselves all the time. I assume your buddy Dan is a raw vegan or fruitarian? and those people you label as ugly and stupid as being anything else? Given that most people are not raw vegan, do you feel a desire to exterminate athletes like Carl Lewis or Linford Christie? Or thinkers like Stephen Hawking? What would be the level of physical excellence or intelligence that you could admire? Would it have to match or exceed yours? >Maybe that is natural anyway? I've never been inclined to pacifism, I think >it encourages bullies. I notice even a tiny spider assumes a fighting stance >should I threaten it with a finger, and indeed most wild animals seem to >fight back if cornered. I do not even consider whether it is right or wrong >to be assertive, or even violent - how can I know if something is right or >wrong? There is a huge difference between a spider reacting to your probing finger and a conscious desire to kill people because of their appearance (due possibly to dietary choices). >rubbish! I say no civilized humans have anything like health, they all get >their ailments and diseases, and have their medicine men and doctors and >often many bizarre beliefs about suffering, because they have forgotten how >to live with nature. These Inuit probably smell like a fishy graveyard - I >can't imagine what going down on an Inuit lady would smell like. I hope there are no list members of Inuit ancestry. A bit crude, don't you think, John? >I'm trying Spain first, then maybe far east. If that does not work, then I >get a big gun and start clearing all the nuts out of Africa, so I get some >peace there... or maybe I just join the problem that way LOL ;) You seem to be joking but you're not another Jeff Ross, right? You sure talk like him. Maybe it's just talk. Hope so. Cheers, Jo - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:16:43 -0400 From: "John Rabin" Subject: [rawlife] nature's high unique foods I'm skeptical of proprietary processes, especially when it comes to allegedly raw products, such as Bragg's Liquid Aminos. If they won't tell you what they are doing to the food, I wouldn't eat it. I'm skeptical as well. But Andrew wants to protect his invention, whatever that means. He insists that his products are 100% raw, and I think I believe him. Maybe I can pry some info out of his assistant even though apparently anyone involved with making the "nut and seed meals" has to sign some kind of a life-time contract saying they will not reveal anything. But I definately agree that it sounds a bit fishy. That's why I asked if anyone knew anything about these "nut meals". John - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:27:25 +0100 From: "Nick Randhel" Subject: Re: [rawlife] to Nick re algae Thanks a lot theresa,theres quite a lot of reading,thanks again. scott - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [rawlife] to Nick re algae > you can actually order it from them but it has to be a big quantity > you can ask if they sell it to a uk distributor, they actually might. > best wishes > theresa > > Nick wrote: Thanks a lot for for that information on algae,i'm also from > Europe but > thanks. > > -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html > - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:09:14 -0400 From: "John Rabin" Subject: [rawlife] fatigue on raw diet Does anyone have advice, from perhaps personal experience, on weight loss related to a raw food diet? I was 160lbs and was always skinny for my height at 6'1". But now I'm 130lbs, and although I understand the basics of what is supposed to happen on a all raw diet, I'm puzzled about my severe lack of energy. I keep hearing stories about how this diet GIVES people energy, but in my case it has taken it away. I think I eat a balanced fruitarian diet of fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds, but I wonder if my fatigue is related to a protein deficiency? If I knew that the wasting away of first-time raw foodists was associated with fatigue, then I would'nt be overly concerned. But seeing as though most people report the opposite, I'm inclined to believe that something is amiss. What do ya think? John - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:49:11 +0800 From: Greg Woolley Subject: Re: [rawlife] What's Behind the Hostility? Jo Yoshida wrote: > Is it a universal truth that only fruitarians and raw vegans can > commune with God / evolve spiritually, and if so, what is your basis > for believing this. Hi Jo, I'll try to give short'sh summary:- First I must say though, once again you've constructed your sentence to be a mixture of true plus false. I have never said "only fruitarians and raw vegans can commune with God", they are your words not mine. What I have said though is, diet profoundly affects perception and consciousness and in my experience and in the experience of many others, a fruitarian diet strongly heightens perception and consciousness. In my case it could only be accurately described as heavenly and Godly and for me to use descriptive words less than those would be highly inaccurate. I see no reason to believe I am unique in this regard, however possibly my specific choice of fruitarian diet plus my personal fasting routine may have been different to others who haven't noticed similar heightening of perception while on fruitarian diet. If you will recall I've asked if anyone here knows of a diet other than fruitarian diet that similarly raises PERCEPTION and consciousness (Note: I'm not talking about choice of psychological attitude, but am talking about direct alterations in actual PERCEPTION) and no one has come up with satisfactory answer describing any other diet that raises perception and consciousness as does a fruitarian diet. Also you may recall, the data I recently posted, has showed that brain serotonin levels profoundly affect mood and perception. I've also supplied data showing diet profoundly affects the levels of brain serotonin. Together, that data is scientific proof backing the basic assertion of mine that diet profoundly affects perception and consciousness. Yet having said that, no one can go the next step and offer actual proof concerning any questions of God and/or spiritual evolution because science is incapable of proving the intangible, therefore it follows no one including myself can offer actual proof that diet affects communion with God. So proof can't be offered, but I can reiterate what has been scientifically proven:- Eating low-protein + high-carbohydrate diets (as in fruitarian diet) IS proven to be associated with high levels of brain serotonin, which in turn is proven to be associated with heightened perception and feelings of well-being. And the converse is true, high-protein + low-carbohydrate diets (as in carnivore or omnivore diet) IS proven to be associated with low levels of brain serotonin, which in turn is proven to be associated with lowered perception and feelings of aggression and hostility. That much IS proven, yet I can't go further and offer actual proof the heightened perception equates to improved communion with God. I have also given my own personal account of how diet affects my consciousness and perception so that the world was perceived as heavenly, innocent, soft and beautiful, and have given the account of Leslie Kenton who described an almost identical experience using her own words, plus I have supplied scientific data which shows that brain serotonin is elevated during fasting (ie heightened perception) and have mentioned that many spiritual leaders undertook lengthy fasts (no easy feat, certainly not for mere discipline or ritual) highly suggesting they did so for heightening of their spiritual consciousness and have given account of fruitarians (at least the one's I've talked too and met) who are 100% in agreement that their fruitarian diet heightens their own consciousness. I can probably add a few more bits and pieces to further support my assertions, but essentially the above are the reasons for why I assert that diet profoundly affects consciousness. Best, Greg Woolley - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:04:32 +0100 From: "John Coleman" Subject: [rawlife] B12 - on the leaves, in the seeds... http://henson1.ssu.edu/~mahollan/research.htm - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:06:05 +0100 From: "John Coleman" Subject: Re: [rawlife] fatigue on raw diet >What do ya think? try eating some durian or jackfruit for a few days, tell us what the result is - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:08:43 +0100 From: "John Coleman" Subject: Re: [rawlife] organic Spirulina for Nick >At the end of JR's email he mentions skin tags and red dots. I have these >too. Why do we get them, how do they remove them, other than for cosmetic >reasons, should we have them removed? Are they an indication of another >problem in our bodies? Thanks for any advice. I have read there is a relationship between skin tags and diabetes - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:14:57 +0100 From: "John Coleman" Subject: Re: [rawlife] What's Behind the Hostility? Kim, > You're not perfect dammit, I never suspected! ;) > and mankind is brutal and unkind, this complex society is kind of hard without brutality, most society is brutal > but we as vegans try to be kind and compassionate? we try, but we risk losing ourselves in the struggle, and are thereby violent to our own body - so by ignoring the true desire of our body, we only again add momentum to the struggle against nature >depends what the agenda is? yes indeed! John x - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:15:42 +0100 From: "John Coleman" Subject: Re: [rawlife] fresh frozen algae for Nick & Bob I am told by a nutritional researcher that algae is not a reliable B12 source. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 00:58:55 +0000 From: forest Subject: [rawlife] hospitables instead of hospitals Jo Yoshida wrote: > >Well, some are trying hard, but you will never fast, starve or meditate the > >ape out of the man. > > LOL! Well put, man. what about that ole saying, "never say never" ? evolution may be slow but it is movin. and as some transcend time and space it may appear to speed up imho. silly intuitive thoughts......not much science here today but in the background somewhere mehopes and prays. balancing, transcending, etceteraing, om na maha she vaya, oh me mushy papaya, > >what is "spiritual evolution", does it involve genes? LOL ;) > > According to the University of California Berkeley abstract of the > Genome Project, there are several genetic markers (6 to 8 pairs) that > predispose a person to a particular level of vibrational energy. > These then limit the extent to which one can perceive and interact > with the higher dimensions during a corporeal existence. As one > evolves, the markers are "updated" during subsequent incarnations. > > OK, I made that up, but us carnivores have imagination too! :) hey, i like that one, sounds pretty logical to me, wonder if i am ready for an up the chakra vibe transplant gene scene. good vibrations...... - -- forest forest@talk-story.net http://www.lavazone2.com/forest - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ End of rawlife-digest V1 #710 ***************************** --- ******************* END OF POST ****************************** RAWLIFE-DIGEST - faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html