From: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com (rawlife-digest) To: rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Subject: rawlife-digest V1 #674 Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Sender: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Errors-To: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Precedence: bulk rawlife-digest Saturday, July 14 2001 Volume 01 : Number 674 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:39:22 -0400 From: Bob Avery Subject: Re: [rawlife] Entry to Guestbook Deepika, >I discovered natural hygiene about a year ago when I was 4 months >pregnant.My introduction to natural hygiene was when I read 'Fit for >Life'by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.It has helped me tremendously in >eliminating several ofmy health problems .It's truly changed the way I eat >and live. Glad to hear the truth is making inroads into India. Do you know about the sequel "Fit for Life II: Living Health"? Be sure and read that too. Then to learn even more, take a look at the bibliography for that second book and start reading some of the source material referenced. I also highly recommend "Blatant Raw Foodist Propaganda!" by Joe Alexander. The "Fit for Life" books helped get me and many other people started too. Jennifer, >I need some advice on how to eat raw on a very limited budget in the Midwest. (1) First of all, you can still grow plenty of your own food during the summer and tubers like jerusalem artichokes will keep for the winter. (2) Learn to grow indoor sprouts. Sprouting seeds are very cheap compared to the calories and nutrients you get out of them. (3) Find out where the U-pick farms are and frequent them. (4) Attend farmers markets. Prices are generally cheaper than in the stores, and the food is fresher and often of better quality. (5) Buy in bulk. Buy 20# or 25# bags of nuts. Keep unused ones in the fridge, freezer, or back porch (winter) if possible. You will pay about half the retail price this way. Dried dates and figs also make a calorific contribution to the winter diet. I usually buy 4-6 bushels of apples in October when they are in season and store them in my enclosed porch that is colder than indoors but above freezing. Some varieties of apples keep better than others, and better quality ones keep better too. I then eat 4-8 of them a day througout the winter. (6) Look for sources of free food. Some weeds are edible, for example. So are carrot tops and cauliflower leaves that most people throw away. At the farmers markets, the farmers often fill grocery bags with their carrot and cauliflower trimmings and will give them to you for free if you ask. (7) Grocery store specials usually feature various items of produce from week to week. (8) If you're still going broke, you can also learn to like raw grains, though I don't recommend grains in general, raw or cooked, as they tend to clog the system after awhile. (9) Eat bananas. Even the organic ones are pretty cheap calories. Watermelon too! (10) Think of other ideas. I just wanted to have a list of 10 items since I got so close. (:-) OK, here's one. Find a food coop to join or start one. You can buy produce directly from the distributors that your supermarkets use if you can place a minimum order, usually $500 or 200 lbs. You need to find 4-5 other people to go in with you every few weeks or so. One of you must place the order and be the dropoff point for the distributor. You then divvy up the goods amongst yourselves later. And look at all the money you will save on restaurants and processing/packaging markups that most people end up paying with their conventional food. Meat is also an expensive food you can live without. You will also save big on medical bills down the road. Think of it like an investment in yourself. >Also, are there any raw people living in Central Ohio you know of? If there are, they haven't told me about it! Fern, >I am new on this list as of today. I will post my bio ASAP, but for now does any one have comment about how >one might treat poison ivy as a raw foodist? Wait for it to go away, probably. If you've been raw for a reasonable length of time (a year or two), it probably won't bother you too much anyway. The people who break out the worst are the ones who have the most toxins to eliminate. The body uses the skin irritation as a good excuse to open up and let the toxins out. >Therefore I am strictly avoiding cooked food as well as oils, nuts, dried fruits, hot spices; instead I have been >narrowing it down to just fresh fruits and vegetables. If you have trouble getting enough protein, you might need some of those nuts, but most people have internal protein reserves that will last for many months. >Externally, I shower with as much hot water as I can stand and have time for. This, I read, seems to deplete the >cells of histamines, providing about eight hours of relief from itching. Interesting. So I guess this is more than an academic question. You might consider an all-juice diet for awhile or even an outright fast. I'd be surprised if it didn't clear up within a week to 10 days on water only. >Am less proud about the soap I have been using, Fels Naptha. This soap has a solvent in it to dissolve the bad oil >in the tissues. It is very drying. Try showering without soap or using it less often. As a raw foodist, you may eventually realize you don't need soap at all. It's certain to be an irritant to sensitive skin. >Your response is appreciated, and any anecdotes or basis of your response. I'm told that Dr. Vetrano, a raw foodist for many years living in Texas, has poison ivy all over her ranch. Before going raw, it used to be a big problem. I hear that now her skin barely reddens from it if she happens to get some on herself. Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:40:16 -0400 From: Robert Ross (by way of JR Ellis ) Subject: [rawlife] Raw Food Links Hi, Thanks for your excellent contribution to sharing the benefits of raw foods on the Internet. I recently started a raw food website myself and included a link to your fine website on my links page: http://rawfoodlife.com/links.htm I would appreciate a reciprocal link. Thanks, Robert Ross www.RawFoodLife.com - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:30:31 -0700 From: "Mark Hovila" Subject: Re: [rawlife] Entry to Guestbook Deepika, Nice to see someone from India posting on the guestbook. I hope you join the list. You will learn a lot from the people here, and I'm sure you will have lots to offer us as well. I visited India once, about 20 years ago, and hope to do so again. Wonderful place! Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deepika Jain (by way of JR Ellis )" To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: [rawlife] Entry to Guestbook > You have a new entry in your guestbook: > > ------------------------------------------------------ > I discovered natural hygiene about a year ago when I was 4 months > pregnant.My introduction to natural hygiene was when I read 'Fit for > Life'by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.It has helped me tremendously in > eliminating several ofmy health problems .It's truly changed the way I eat > and live. > Deepika Jain > New Delhi, India - Friday, July 13, 2001 at 14:41:30 (EDT) > > > -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:50:05 -0700 From: "Hal R. Haley" Subject: Re: [rawlife] 'Paths' vs 'Paths' Bob, > When asked if his Parkinsonism made him question his philosophy, he stated > that it was not a violation, but an > illustration, of the Laws of Life. Do you know if Shelton had any amalgam fillings? > Go for the whole enchilada (oops, maybe not an enchilada!). LOL! > Good mercury summary. Thanks. Got mine out about 7 years ago -- all 18 of > them! Cost $1000's, but it was worth it. The peace of mind alone is worth thousands to me, but I sincerely believe the mercury has been detrimental to my health; in a long, slow, insidious way. I've not found any dental colleges in San Diego, but like your idea and hope you don't mind if I copy. Have you read of any connection between B-12 absorption and the presence of amalgam? Not knowing the biochemical dynamics of production and absorption, I'm just wondering if long term exposure to mercury could affect one or both. I've upped my B-12 to one a day and will keep this up for at least a month. I'm beginning to suspect my theory that I "bonked" or ran out completely was right on. I'd like to build up some reserves. I really cannot stand the sweet flavoring they put in those little pills, but I'll put up with it for now. Hal > > > Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:54:12 +0100 From: "Ruth Allen" Subject: Re: [rawlife] Entry to Guestbook So are carrot tops and cauliflower leaves .... Hi Bob.... I always used to eat carrot tops.. especially home grown.. but then Loren said they were toxic... some acid in them?? I could look up and see if I can find the mail Does anyone else have input on it.. I had always been led to believe they were good nutrient rich food...but all my sense of knowing is being turned upside down of late.. so I am just sitting with it all and observe mind being confused *grin* Ruth email: ruth@owlmoon.worldonline.co.uk website: www.harmonious-living.com Harmonious-Living-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:23:29 +0100 From: "John Coleman" Subject: Re: [rawlife] 'Paths' vs 'Paths' Have you read of any connection between B-12 absorption and the presence of amalgam? - --- this issue is covered in "Infertility & Birth Defects", by Ziff & Ziff, available from the Bio-Probe Inc. John - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:12:50 -0400 From: "Ferngold N. Reid" Subject: Fwd: Re: [rawlife] Entry to Guestbook Bob Avery, Thank you for your response. I think I will try increasingthe amount of water between meals for now; I keep forgetting to drink. Usually the amount that I drink is fine, but I need to be flushing right now. About the soap, When I changed my diet toward more raw food - and no animal fats - three years ago, I stopped using soap except on my toes, underarms, and - well. I also use shampoo and conditioner. I was very pleased when I found the nature of the oil coming out of me was so much lighter. I still use a wash cloth; being a Finn I think the scrubbing is good for the skin and the blood circulation. >Am less proud about the soap I have been using, Fels Naptha. This soap has a solvent in it to dissolve the bad oil >in the tissues. It is very drying. Try showering without soap or using it less often. As a raw foodist, you may eventually realize you don't need soap at all. It's certain to be an irritant to sensitive skin. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:20:22 -0600 From: Jo Yoshida Subject: Re: [rawlife] 'Paths' vs 'Paths' >There is no such thing as a toxin-free state. We can only hope that they >are being expelled at least as fast as they are being generated. But >they are being generated every second you are alive, whether you are >fasting or not. Hi Bob - yes, my choice of words could've been better ("a state free of extraneous / exogenous toxins"?). >Being a fasting and nutritional educator does not make you immune to >disease. (:-) Especially if his own nutritional program might not have been intrinsically health-building. >And his official biography makes no mention of 4-week fasts. In fact, >the biographer asked him near the end of his life what his longest fast >was. He said 29 days, and this was taken when he was much younger when >he was thrown in jail for "practicing medicine without a license," before >any signs of Parkinsonism had developed. He didn't rest then, either. >He wrote one of his books while locked up. What was the title of this official biography? author? and when was it published? The following passages are from Chet Day's Health & Beyond, Vol. 4 No. 4, September 1996, from a 3-part interview with Dr. V. V. Vetrano: [quote] Chet Day: If Parkinson's disease appeared in a Hygienist today, how would you care for it? Dr. Vetrano: Early onset, around age 40, of Parkinson's disease is amenable to Hygienic care. In the cases of early Parkinson's disease that I have cared for, all symptoms subsided. We do not permit those with a tendency to neurological problems to fast past 14 days and most of the time we break the fast within nine or ten days. Long fasts are contraindicated. The two long fasts which Dr. Shelton took certainly did not help and positively harmed. He was never able to walk as well again after the second 28-day fast. [unquote] [quote] Chet Day: Do you think Herbert Shelton suffered from Hygienic mistakes/blind spots in his own practice of the Hygienic lifestyle? Why do you think he succumbed to Parkinson's? Dr. Vetrano: Dr. Shelton refused to quit working when he should have. When he did stop, it was too late. I don't think he realized his condition was so far advanced in the beginning. His first long fast did him no good whatsoever, and the second one was definitely hurtful. [unquote] What is missing from the interview is the the number of weeks / months / years between the end of the last fast and Dr. Shelton's death; and the time period separating the two fasts. I'm also curious as to how his health had spiraled down to the extent that even fasting could not correct his condition. Dr. Vetrano claims overwork, but was there another factor such as diet? If so, could it have been avoided? might the inclusion of raw animal products succeeded in reversing his condition somewhat where a fast could not? If an official biography fails to mention these "last resort" fasts because the subject himself withheld this information; the author neglected to include what was told to him or what he had unearthed from archives; or the editor decided to omit the account for political motives; whatever might have happened during the process from research to press time, it's simply unfortunate. But when this information became public knowledge, I began asking myself these types of questions. >He did outlive all but 3 of his dozen siblings, even though he was the >oldest. He also lived longer than his parents did. But he himself did >not feel his lifestyle was conducive to the best personal health. That >wasn't his major life focus. When asked if his Parkinsonism made him >question his philosophy, he stated that it was not a violation, but an >illustration, of the Laws of Life. He knew he was sacrificing his own >health for what he considered to be higher goals. > >This is not to say he didn't make attempts to resolve his physical >problems, only that he wasn't about to make that a primary goal. Those of us who like to think that we're making more informed choices about what we eat probably have argued, at one time or another, that a SAD, cigar-smoking, whiskey-guzzling 99-year old George Burns might have lived a longer, higher quality life, IF he had embraced raw foods and other health-building practices. Now I'm wondering whether Dr. Shelton might have enjoyed a similar benefit had he made judicious use of raw fish or dairy products (he was originally a farm lad) like Dr. Norman Walker. Although this may be comparing apples to oranges, Dr. Walker outlived Dr. Shelton by around, approximately, in the neighborhood of nearly or over 15 to 25 years. :) Cheers, Jo - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:04:58 +0800 From: Greg Woolley Subject: [rawlife] Diet - serotonin - mood Bob Avery wrote: > doesn't sound right, like the pushing > of a high protein diet. High protein diets have been implicated in all > sorts of diseases. Hello Bob, you've misread my emails. I've resent them privately to you, please read them again and you'll see that I am not pushing a high-protein diet at all, but have been saying the antithesis, ie a high-protein diet is highly correlated with stress, aggression, depression, even suicide and homicide. A high-protein diet significantly (ie greatly) depletes brain serotonin and is associated with depression, aggression, stress, suicide and homicide. Whereas a high-carbohydrate/low-protein (and fasting) diet significanly increases brain serotonin and is associated with well-being, peacefulness and heightened perception. Regards, Greg Woolley - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:30:51 +0800 From: Greg Woolley Subject: Re: [rawlife] 'Paths' vs 'Paths' Hello Jo, I imagine most people here by now have a good idea of the basic principles involved and have pretty well made up their minds one way or another on this subject. So I'll leave it at that, thanks. Regards, Greg Woolley - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:00:35 -0700 From: "Hal R. Haley" Subject: [rawlife] Entry / Mercury / Soap / Shelton / Blood sugar Ruth, > but all my sense of knowing is being turned upside down of late.. so I am just > sitting with it all and observe mind being confused I too, am becoming more confused! The problem (or blessing, depending on perspective!) seems to be that knowlede is infinite; each time a question is anwered, more questions arise from the answer. But I am determined to more than everyone else! :-) Hal ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ John, >>Doubt this would happen. I've eaten sweet fruit until I was no longer hungry (i.e. belly full!) and my measured blood sugar did not spike, or even rise to an unacceptable level. >>How do you know? Do you measure it regularly? How? I don't know for sure, just as I said, I doubt it would happen. I've only measured it once (outside of a yearly blood test, taken after a twelve hour fast), about 45 minutes after eating a huge pile of watermelon, some grapes and a banana, with a device used by diabetics (finger-prick, etc.). It was 95, which I believe to be in the normal range. Hal - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:05:26 +0100 From: "Ruth Allen" Subject: Re: [rawlife] Entry / Mercury / Soap / Shelton / Blood sugar <. Hiya Hal. Well I am glad I am not the only one.... so what is the score re carrot tops? Any of you more learned folk going to tell us? *grin*.... Yep Hal... I am feeling pretty determined too, to unearth as much fact as poss and blast through the paradigms that seemingly abound.. Love Ruth. email: ruth@owlmoon.worldonline.co.uk website: www.harmonious-living.com Harmonious-Living-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:35:31 -0400 From: Bob Avery Subject: Re: [rawlife] 'Paths' vs 'Paths' Hal, >Do you know if Shelton had any amalgam fillings? I don't believe he had ANY fillings. He was kicked in the face by a horse once, which knocked out a tooth and rearranged his jaw. He didn't see a dentist or medical professional for that injury either. He just pulled his jaw back into alignment and waited for the injury to heal. >The peace of mind alone is worth thousands to me, but I sincerely believe the >mercury has been detrimental to my health; in a long, slow, insidious way. Same here. >I've not found any dental colleges in San Diego, but like your idea and hope >you don't mind if I copy. Delighted. Here's a partial(?) directory of dental schools: http://www.dentistzone.com/dds/schools.htm Is Loma Linda close enough? You might have to take a few days off work if they don't have Saturday appointments. >Have you read of any connection between B-12 absorption and the presence of >amalgam? I've read that the presence of mercury (and auto exhaust, probably any environmental pollution really) increases the need for B-12. Not sure about absorption specifically. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't poison your friendly intestinal flora that manufacture B-12. It probably gums up their machinery too. >I really cannot stand the >sweet flavoring they put in those little pills, but I'll put up with it for >now. Agreed. I'd like to find a better source. >And possibly nutritionally deficient produce as well? Yes, probably so. Shelton knew a few things about quality produce, but I don't think he paid it sufficient attention in his own purchase decisions, as economic sufficiency was always a problem for him. He used to take on all comers to his fasting institute, whether they could pay or not. >I'll be very >dissappointed (angry, pissed off, twisted...) if, after decades of eating raw, I >find a progressive dis-ease wreaking havoc on my bod. Y-ah, mi 2. I'l wont too Sue sumbuddy. >I don't know for sure, just as I said, I doubt it would happen. I've only >measured it once (outside of a yearly blood test, taken after a twelve hour >fast), about 45 minutes after eating a huge pile of watermelon, some grapes and >a banana, with a device used by diabetics (finger-prick, etc.). It was 95, >which I believe to be in the normal range. Impressive, though it is possible to burn out your adrenal glands over time dealing with sugar overdoses, even fruit sugars. Jo, Greg, jr, whoever, http://www.h2net.net/p/nslade/art/Brain/brainrev1.html Ruth, >I always used to eat carrot tops.. especially home grown.. but then Loren >said they were toxic... some acid in them?? I doubt it. They taste delicious to me and very nutritious/filling. If they were toxic, they would taste bad. Only problem is you have to chew them a little bit at a time. If you put the too much in your mouth at once, it wads up into a big ball that becomes impossible to chew through. >I had always been led to believe they were good nutrient rich food...but all >my sense of knowing is being turned upside down of late.. Go with your instincts. If it tastes good, eat it; when it stops tasting good, you've had enough. http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5976/ Your body is smarter than any nutritional theory. Fern, >About the soap, When I changed my diet toward more raw food - and no animal fats - three years ago, I stopped >using soap except on my toes, underarms, and - well. I also use shampoo and conditioner. I just use water on those places any more. >I still use a wash cloth; being a Finn I think the scrubbing is good for the skin and the blood circulation. Sure, scrub away, but try it with just water. I still use soap for shaving, but that's about it unless I get my hands into something greasy, like plumbing repairs. Jo, >What was the title of this official biography? author? and when was it published? "Yours For Health" by Jean Oswald, 1989 (he died in 1985). >The two long fasts which Dr. Shelton took >certainly did not help and positively harmed. He was never able to >walk as well again after the second 28-day fast. Dr. Vetrano would know, as she was right there with him. I guess that doesn't negate the claim that his longest fast was 29 days, taken when he was in jail. >I'm also curious as to how his health had spiraled down to the extent >that even fasting could not correct his condition. Dr. Vetrano claims >overwork, but was there another factor such as diet? If so, could it >have been avoided? might the inclusion of raw animal products >succeeded in reversing his condition somewhat where a fast could not? One never knows the answers to these things with individual cases. We only get one chance to live our lives. >If an official biography fails to mention these "last resort" fasts >because the subject himself withheld this information; the author >neglected to include what was told to him or what he had unearthed >from archives I would like to see Vetrano do a biography of him; the existing one is poor in a number of respects. >Those of us who like to think that we're making more informed choices >about what we eat probably have argued, at one time or another, that >a SAD, cigar-smoking, whiskey-guzzling 99-year old George Burns might >have lived a longer, higher quality life, IF he had embraced raw >foods and other health-building practices. He actually made it to 100. http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/misc/9601/george_burns/ http://www.goodbyemag.com/mar/burns.htm What kills us is stress. A lot of it is financial. And much of it is dietary and emotional. No doubt in my mind that George Burns would have lived longer without tobacco and with a better diet. His life was no doubt less stressful than Shelton's overall, however. He certainly had his financial and emotional acts together. He may have also had a better genetic inheritance than Shelton. George Burns' advice on how to live to be 100: "You have to be sure and make it to 99 first." >Now I'm wondering whether >Dr. Shelton might have enjoyed a similar benefit had he made >judicious use of raw fish or dairy products (he was originally a farm >lad) like Dr. Norman Walker. He did use dairy products. Clabbered raw milk was one of his favorites. Perhaps it shortened his life. (:-) Parkinsons is an autoimmune type disorder, and animal products are prone to producing such disorders. Greg, >please re-read carefully and you'll see that high-protein diet (ie low >brain serotonin) is associated with depression, aggression and even >suicide and homicide. Somehow I thought it said the opposite. I don't have time now to delve into this, but I would be curious what your reaction is to the VanWinkle "toxic mind" paper is and what, if anything, she would tell you in defense of her theory that serotonin is a toxic waste product of metabolism and not a neurotransmitter. Could you read it and report back to us your critique? Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:43:48 -0400 From: DiscoNect@aol.com (by way of JR Ellis ) Subject: [rawlife] leaky gut Does anyone have any information on or know how to correct "leaky gut syndrome"? - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:25:24 -0400 From: Gizmopup3@aol.com (by way of JR Ellis ) Subject: [rawlife] which is the better juicer? I am looking to upgrade from my Acme juicer to either a Green Life or Angel juicer. Do you have an opinion as to which juicer is better? I am leaning towards the Angel since it seems to be constructed better (stainless steel house and gears, etc), but don't know if it warrants the extra money? Any info you can provide would be helpful. Thanks!! Debbie Hemmerle - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:58:43 -0700 From: "Hal R. Haley" Subject: Re: [rawlife] 'Paths' vs 'Paths' Bob, > He was kicked in the face by a horse once, which knocked out a tooth and > rearranged his jaw. He didn't > see a dentist or medical professional for that injury either. He just > pulled his jaw back into alignment and waited for the injury to heal. What? No x-ray's? No Cat-scan's or MRI's? No antibiotics? No worker's comp? No stress leave? No lawsuit? Was he trying to put the hospital out of business? What WAS he thinking? > Is Loma Linda close enough? About an hour and forty-five. > You might have to take a few days off work if they don't have Saturday > appointments. I just checked it out and they only work weekdays, but if they're willing, I'll arrange the days off. > He used to take on all comers to his fasting institute, whether they could > pay or not. I'd rather die young, with integrity and compassion, than live to be 100 without it. Still, I'm sure it wasn't easy. > Y-ah, mi 2. I'l wont too Sue sumbuddy. Interestingly, I've just posted my Mom the results of my internet research on the drugs her Dad is taking. She was stunned when the side-effect list was a dead ringer for his current symptoms. She forwarded it to her brother, who suggested they take out my snide comments about the medical profession :-) and fax it to the Doctor, with the intention of weaning him away altogether. My Mom's comment was "His quality of life is very poor now and who gives a (........) if his blood vessels stay open, if he is out of his head? The dizziness can easily kill him if he falls and he will fall if he walks, and he WILL walk." To shorten a long story, both my Mom and her brother are worried there might be legal ramifications to taking him off of the drugs! My wager is that he'd be lucid again in a few weeks, even with gradual weaning. > Impressive, though it is possible to burn out your adrenal glands over time > dealing with sugar overdoses, even fruit sugars. I'm pretty sure I overdid the fruit for most of my years all-raw. Anywhere from 10 to 15 fruits per day. After reading Dr. Vetrano's article in the M2M, I'm doing many more nuts and seeds. > If you put the too much in your mouth at once, it wads up into a big ball > that becomes impossible to chew through. Spencer was reprimanded for chewing gum in school, and actually had to take it out to show the teacher it was a wad of celery that was taking it's time going down! > We only get one chance to live our lives. That's the theory I'm going on. Wouldn't mind coming back though. > What kills us is stress. A lot of it is financial. And much of it is > dietary and emotional. Afraid I must agree with you there. The obits don't always elaborate, but I've yet to read one that described a long-lived person as angry, frustrated or stressed out! Additionally, many of the 100 plus crowd started their lives with diets of fresh, unpoisoned food, probably with a decent percentage of raw. This won't be the case for most of my generation, myself included. > George Burns' advice on how to live to be 100: "You have to be sure and > make it to 99 first." Definitely a low-stress guy. > He did use dairy products. Clabbered raw milk was one of his favorites. I just had to go look up "Clabbered". Doesn't sound appetizing to me. > Parkinsons is an autoimmune type disorder, and animal products are prone to > producing such disorders. If I remember correctly, I heard Charlotte Gerson say some years ago that Dr. Gerson's therapy did not have much success with Parkinson's. Wonder why? Is the damage already done? Hal - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:05:19 -0400 From: Bob Avery Subject: Re: [rawlife] leaky gut Niki, >Does anyone have any information on or know how to correct "leaky gut >syndrome"? Fasting is the best way. Tightens it right up. Then avoid causing the problem all over again by avoiding the "foods" that cause it in the first place -- cooked animal products, dairy, grains, and irritating herbs and spices. And overeating generally. Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:33:35 -0400 From: Bob Avery Subject: Re: [rawlife] 'Paths' vs 'Paths' Hal, >What? No x-ray's? No Cat-scan's or MRI's? No antibiotics? No worker's >comp? No stress leave? No lawsuit? Was he trying to put the hospital out of >business? What WAS he thinking? Archaic thinking to be sure. (:-) (But I think it was his own horse -- nobody to sue.) >> Is Loma Linda close enough? > >About an hour and forty-five. Best I can do on short notice. (:-) You don't want me to send you to UCLA, do you? >Interestingly, I've just posted my Mom the results of my internet research on >the drugs her Dad is taking. She was stunned when the side-effect list was a >dead ringer for his current symptoms. Amazing, isn't it, how causes lead to effects? The drug companies manage to escape legal liability by disclosing all that stuff in their package inserts and in the PDR, which nobody reads, neither the patients nor their physicians. >She forwarded it to her brother, who >suggested they take out my snide comments about the medical profession :-) >and fax it to the Doctor, with the intention of weaning him away altogether. You got a symptom you don't like since you started taking "x"? Don't worry! We got another drug "y" for that symptom. And on an on it goes. Don't be surprised if Doc wants to prescribe more drugs instead of weaning him off his current one. The other trick is a "new, improved" drug for the same condition that doesn't have the same "side" effects as "x." (It has different ones, or it is so new its evils haven't been catalogued yet.) Know the definition of "side effect"? It's a drug effect we just don't happen to like. It's just as real an effect as the one we are hoping to achieve. >I'm pretty sure I overdid the fruit for most of my years all-raw. Anywhere >from 10 to 15 fruits per day. After reading Dr. Vetrano's article in the >M2M, I'm doing many more nuts and seeds. Dynamite article, isn't it? I had some of those symptoms too. >Spencer was reprimanded for chewing gum in school, and actually had to take >it out to show the teacher it was a wad of celery that was taking it's time >going down! LOL! And carrot tops are even tougher. Probably good jaw exercise though. >Afraid I must agree with you there. Don't be afraid -- I'm used to it. (:-) >Additionally, many of the 100 plus crowd started their >lives with diets of fresh, unpoisoned food, probably with a decent percentage >of raw. This won't be the case for most of my generation, myself included So true. Many of them drank their dairy unpasteurized for much of their lives, certainly in their formative years, delivered to their doors fresh by the milkman. >If I remember correctly, I heard Charlotte Gerson say some years ago that Dr. >Gerson's therapy did not have much success with Parkinson's. Wonder why? Is >the damage already done? I don't know. The body can't fix everything, I guess. Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -- rawlife - http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html ------------------------------ End of rawlife-digest V1 #674 ***************************** --- ******************* END OF POST ****************************** RAWLIFE-DIGEST - faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html