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rawlife-digest        Sunday, February 4 2001        Volume 01 : Number 489




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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 13:28:43 
From: "Gun Penhoat" <paniergarnie@hotmail.com>
Subject: [rawlife] ... re raw family ...

... am interested in ordering information for the book (paper version) "Raw 
family" ... GunP.
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 06:10:55 -0800
From: "Shari" <shavig@premier1.net>
Subject: RE: [rawlife] ... re raw family ...

Dear Everyone!

We are announcing a 40% off sale on our Raw Family book.
Victoria will be completing the book 12 Steps to Raw Foods at the end of
February and so we need to generate funds to publish it.
This is your opportunity to get a great price on Raw Family while supporting
the publishing of 12 Steps to Raw Foods. Buy as many as you want as there is
no limit.
The perfect gift for your Valentine.
Orders must be received by February 10th.
Please make your checks payable to Victoria Boutenko.
Mail your order to:
2253 Hwy 99N, #58
Ashland, OR 97520

Shipping - $1.50 for the 1st book, add 25c for each additional book.
We also offer:

Custom made "milk bags" (sprouting bags) made off a high quality white nylon
fabric called "marble valais sheer" that is very fine and strong.
Price for one bag - $9.00. Shipping is free!

Raw Family book on audiotape, read by the Boutenkos, consisting of 2-tapes
of 90 minutes each.
Price - $12.95

Thank you all for your Support!

Love,
Victoria and Boutenko Family



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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:22:55 EST
From: PFPDancer@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [rawlife] My new way / Weight loss

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In a message dated 2/2/01 11:50:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwavery@juno.com 
writes:

<< b) we need to place
 the blame for our condition, not on the protective mechanism of the tumor
 itself, but on the lifestyle that instigated the tumor's necessary
 formation.   >>

I agree about the point concerning cancer and lifestyle in general, and I 
also agree about getting at the cause and not using all the hokus pokus 
toxins touted by the medical establishment.  In the case of a Wilms tumor, 
most of these that I have seen were present and birth, and are genetic, so 
there is a little more going on than "lifestyle".  I do realize the genetic 
material is passed on and is a reflection of the lifestyle of the parents and 
other ancestors, but there is a distinction and other considerations with 
this particular problem.  Priscilla

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Hal,

>My five year old niece had her kidney
>totally destroyed by a Wilm's tumor, and although I don't speak for her,
>I doubt she thinks it was very protective.  

You and Bernarr may not be disagreeing as much as you think.  The point
he is trying to make is that it was the toxins the tumor was trying to
sequester that destroyed the kidney, not the tumor itself.  He would
claim that the tumor was trying to isolate the toxins from infiltrating
and destroying still larger portions of the anatomy if the body had not
built the tumor to keep them thus localized.

You both agree that to resolve the cancerous tumor by removing the toxic
accumulations is the desired treatment.  No one would argue that it would
be desirable to instigate the formation of cancerous tumors in the body
on purpose.  It's just that when they do form it is a case of the body's
doing the best it can to defend itself under adverse circumstances.

In other words, the messages are:  (a) the body always acts in its own
best interests to defend itself against assaults; (b) we need to place
the blame for our condition, not on the protective mechanism of the tumor
itself, but on the lifestyle that instigated the tumor's necessary
formation.  

Physicians are always "fighting disease" when there really is no such
"thing" to fight.  Disease is a condition, not a physical entity to be
driven out.  Cancer is an effect, not a cause.  The focus should be on
removing causes, something most physicians with all their high-tech
surgical and pharmaceutical "weapons" at hand will freely admit they are
clueless about.

>I was relating your account of your fast to my wife, and she wondered
>aloud if you lost much weight.  I thought no, because you were inactive,
>but the bet is on.
 
Your wife wins.  I went from 113 lbs to 99.5, now back up to 105.  (Easy
go, easy come. (:-))

You need to realize that there's at least 2 lbs of fecal matter in the
digestive system when the fast begins.  Some of this moved out on Day 4
of the fast and more on Day 7.  I also don't drink a lot of water when I
fast, so dehydration probably accounted for several more pounds.  (I have
actually gained a pound from one day to the next while fasting, simply by
drinking a lot of water in between, but not this time.)

Then there are other easy-to-release toxins that the body gets rid of on
a short fast.  I lose about 3 lbs/day for the first 2 days, then it slows
to 2 lbs for a few days, then 1 lb.  After about 12 days, it becomes 1/2
lb/day.  Toward the end of my 21-day fast I think it was starting to slow
to about 1/4 lb/day.

You are right about 1 thing:  It only takes about 3-4 oz of fat burning
to keep the metabolism going while you are lying peacefully in bed.  It's
just that there are other things going on besides early in the fast.


Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com)
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:00:39 
From: "Gun Penhoat" <paniergarnie@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [rawlife] ... re raw family ...

... can't find a price for the (paper) book ...is the price the same as for 
the tapes? ... GunP.

>From: "Shari" <shavig@premier1.net>
>Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com
>To: <rawlife@rawtimes.com>
>Subject: RE: [rawlife] ... re raw family ...
>Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 06:10:55 -0800
>
>
>Dear Everyone!
>
>We are announcing a 40% off sale on our Raw Family book.
>Victoria will be completing the book 12 Steps to Raw Foods at the end of
>February and so we need to generate funds to publish it.
>This is your opportunity to get a great price on Raw Family while 
>supporting
>the publishing of 12 Steps to Raw Foods. Buy as many as you want as there 
>is
>no limit.
>The perfect gift for your Valentine.
>Orders must be received by February 10th.
>Please make your checks payable to Victoria Boutenko.
>Mail your order to:
>2253 Hwy 99N, #58
>Ashland, OR 97520
>
>Shipping - $1.50 for the 1st book, add 25c for each additional book.
>We also offer:
>
>Custom made "milk bags" (sprouting bags) made off a high quality white 
>nylon
>fabric called "marble valais sheer" that is very fine and strong.
>Price for one bag - $9.00. Shipping is free!
>
>Raw Family book on audiotape, read by the Boutenkos, consisting of 2-tapes
>of 90 minutes each.
>Price - $12.95
>
>Thank you all for your Support!
>
>Love,
>Victoria and Boutenko Family
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:01:03 EST
From: Rawfoods@aol.com
Subject: Re: [rawlife] More on Raw Family

In a message dated 2/2/2001 6:35:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
PFPDancer@aol.com writes:

<< 
 << haven't read this book, I have a copy of a wonderful review of Raw Family
  >written by Karen Knowler of FRESH Network in England that I would be happy 
  >to
  >forward to you. >> >>
The Boutenko family are angels from heaven and have done a great deal on the 
national level to bring raw food awareness to people. Their book is very 
inspiring and interesting and it is written in their 'voice' which makes it 
even better. It is well worth owning, and right now they could use the 
support to facilitate getting their next book printed. Be sure to buy it 
direct from them! 

Nomi Shannon
The Raw Gourmet
www.rawgourmet.com
rawgourmet@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:10:37 EST
From: Rawfoods@aol.com
Subject: Re: [rawlife] OT: Why not to have baby in Hospital

In a message dated 2/2/2001 6:59:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
cgiambri@earthlink.net writes:

<< Subj:     [rawlife] OT: Why not to have baby in Hospital
 Date:  2/2/2001 6:59:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
 From:  cgiambri@earthlink.net (Carol G)
 Sender:    owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com
 Reply-to:  rawlife@rawtimes.com
 To:    rawlife@rawtimes.com
 CC:    rawimmortal@egroups.com
 
 Thought you may want to keep this handy to share with others.  
 
 received: 2/2/01
 =====
 > > >> > THE FOLLOWING OFFER is made to U.S.-licensed medical doctors who
 > > >> > routinely administer childhood vaccinations and to pharmaceutical
 > > >> > company CEOs worldwide. >>
Thanks I printed that one!

Nomi Shannon
The Raw Gourmet
www.rawgourmet.com
rawgourmet@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:36:55 -0800 (PST)
From: IINPortOrchard@webtv.net (Judith Herman)
Subject: Re: [rawlife] All my love from Romania

Hy Brenda, thankyou for the mock tuna recipe. I also felt compelled to
send Anca a note. I have managed to lose both of my parents. My mom to
cancer and heart disease, my father in a fatal car accident. Nothing is
more sobering, then to realize you are an orphan, no matter if you are
an adult, and don't need guidance anymore . It sounds like your son is
fighting his cooked food addiction. That can be as addicting as
cigarettes, coffee, or alcohol. The raw treats ought to help. Anyway I'm
glad your son is over the worse of his illness, and hope he continues to
improve.   Judy


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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:49:46 EST
From: Maye888@aol.com
Subject: [rawlife] Is prolonged drinking of Distilled Water a good idea ?

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Some health professionals are opposed to prolonged drinking of distilled 
water and others say it is much safer than any other from of water. What is 
your opinion ?

Fred

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Some health professionals are opposed to prolonged drinking of distilled 
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<BR>your opinion ?
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:53:39 +0200
From: coafura@home.ro
Subject: [rawlife] My Dad

Hello everybody!

As usual, I want to answer to all who wrote me.

I'm still here, even I think that we'll suspend the phone line.
I've noticed about the cheese. But what type of milk is better?
Somebody told me that for cough is very good honey with goat milk. It is
true?

Today I found fresh pineapples. I've spent my last $4.00 for buying one
to my Dad. He was happy and he liked it a lot. I'm happy too for this.

Carol G. asked me about any way for my family to relocate in U.S. Well,
my mother and my father I don't think that will be able to do this, at
this age. But with me and my fiancé is other thing...We are very good in
computers, and we hope that maybe we could find a job in Europe or U.S.
Now, our only target is to cure my father.

God bless you all.
Anca



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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:04:33 -0800
From: "Shari" <shavig@premier1.net>
Subject: RE: [rawlife] ... re raw family ...

Dear Friends,
I forgot to tell you the price of the Raw Family. Sorry.
Here it is:
40% off $15 is $9.00. That means we offer it now for $9.00!
Thanks!
Love
Victoria


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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 6:01 PM
To: rawlife@rawtimes.com
Subject: RE: [rawlife] ... re raw family ...


... can't find a price for the (paper) book ...is the price the same as for
the tapes? ... GunP.

>From: "Shari" <shavig@premier1.net>
>Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com
>To: <rawlife@rawtimes.com>
>Subject: RE: [rawlife] ... re raw family ...
>Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 06:10:55 -0800
>
>
>Dear Everyone!
>
>We are announcing a 40% off sale on our Raw Family book.
>Victoria will be completing the book 12 Steps to Raw Foods at the end of
>February and so we need to generate funds to publish it.
>This is your opportunity to get a great price on Raw Family while
>supporting
>the publishing of 12 Steps to Raw Foods. Buy as many as you want as there
>is
>no limit.
>The perfect gift for your Valentine.
>Orders must be received by February 10th.
>Please make your checks payable to Victoria Boutenko.
>Mail your order to:
>2253 Hwy 99N, #58
>Ashland, OR 97520
>
>Shipping - $1.50 for the 1st book, add 25c for each additional book.
>We also offer:
>
>Custom made "milk bags" (sprouting bags) made off a high quality white
>nylon
>fabric called "marble valais sheer" that is very fine and strong.
>Price for one bag - $9.00. Shipping is free!
>
>Raw Family book on audiotape, read by the Boutenkos, consisting of 2-tapes
>of 90 minutes each.
>Price - $12.95
>
>Thank you all for your Support!
>
>Love,
>Victoria and Boutenko Family
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:21:36 EST
From: DadWorld@aol.com
Subject: [rawlife] Down to Earth Restaurant, NJ

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A few weeks ago I took my family to the only NJ restaurant listed in  <A HREF="http://www.rawfoodists.com/resources/restaurants">Raw 
restaurants</A> in Red Bank, Monmouth Cty.  As it turned out, only a few 
appetizers, salads, juices and smoothies are raw, ( <A HREF="http://www.downtoearthnj.com/menu.htm">D2E Menu</A> ), but the most 
amazing thing - my  7 and 10 yo dd's, raised on pizzeria pizza, actually 
liked the soy cheese whole-grain pizza, as well as the unusual miso soup and 
a fruit slushie.  So it might be a good intro to vegan cuisine for SAD eaters.

Warning: if you go there north on Route 35, there is a big sign for "Broad 
St." as a cross-street.  This is either a different Broad St, or a different 
segment of Broad St. but definately do NOT turn.  Route 35 turns into Broad 
St.  We wasted about 45 minutes finding our way around, including constant 
cell-phone communication with the restaurant.



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  COLOR="#8000ff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Verdana" LANG="0">A few weeks ago I took my family to the only NJ restaurant listed in &nbsp;<A HREF="http://www.rawfoodists.com/resources/restaurants">Raw 
<BR>restaurants</A></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#8000ff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Verdana" LANG="0"> in Red Bank, Monmouth Cty. &nbsp;As it turned out, only a few 
<BR>appetizers, salads, juices and smoothies are raw, ( <A HREF="http://www.downtoearthnj.com/menu.htm">D2E Menu</A></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#8000ff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Verdana" LANG="0"> ), but the most 
<BR>amazing thing - my &nbsp;7 and 10 yo dd's, raised on pizzeria pizza, actually 
<BR>liked the soy cheese whole-grain pizza, as well as the unusual miso soup and 
<BR>a fruit slushie. &nbsp;So it might be a good intro to vegan cuisine for SAD eaters.
<BR>
<BR>Warning: if you go there north on Route 35, there is a big sign for "Broad 
<BR>St." as a cross-street. &nbsp;This is either a different Broad St, or a different 
<BR>segment of Broad St. but definately do NOT turn. &nbsp;Route 35 turns into Broad 
<BR>St. &nbsp;We wasted about 45 minutes finding our way around, including constant 
<BR>cell-phone communication with the restaurant.
<BR>
<BR></FONT></HTML>

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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:33:47 -0500
From: DLinaiki@webtv.net (Rev.Dr.David H. Lindley Jr) (by way of JR Ellis <cliquer@optonline.net>)
Subject: [rawlife] out dated

the info for essene gathering has not been updated since 1997? and there
is no way to contact them

             Your Brother in Peace

                  Sincerely yours

                    Dave

    your kindness IS your greatness!
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:05:01 -0500
From: Bob Avery <rwavery@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [rawlife] raw fooders addictions / Medjools

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Judy,

> Where do you buy your Medjools?

I get my organic medjools from:

Ranchero Deluxe Date Gardens
Rte. 1 
1452 Parkman Rd.
Winterhaven, CA 92283

760-572-0168

medjools@digitaldune.net

Forest,

>i have a sneaky suspicion that most commercial dates whether organic or
not are
>heated to prevent bug damage. anyone got any info on that. they might
not tell you
>about it tho. aloha, f

They are dehydrated, which does involve some sort of heat.  The
commercial growers are probably not too careful about sundrying or other
low temperature methods.

They are also one of the most heavily pesticided crops.

Sara,

>Forgive my ignorance, but where is Cairns.  I'm looking at many
locations 
>because I want to raise my family elsewhere.  It sounds just lovely.

NE Australia in the province of Queensland.

Judy,

>I've been wearing gas permeable contacts for decades for nearsightedness
and 
>astigmatism, and sometimes I wonder if I'm allergic to the plastic.

I have a pair of gas perms too, but I never wear them anymore.  I hate
the way they sting the eyes in a stiff breeze and how you can always tell
they in your eyes.  I switched to soft lenses years ago and after trying
many brands have decided that CSI makes the best ones.  I recommend you
switch.

One problem with hard lenses (including gas perms) is that they force
your eyeball to conform to their shape.  They softs do not.  So if your
vision ever does want to improve by way of changing your eyeball shape,
it won't be able to do so if you are continuing to wear hard lenses.

Ardie,

>You can get Essene Gospel of Peace for anywhere between $4.00 and
$12.00. 

Or for $2 from Brother Nazariah -- ESSENEINFO@aol.com .



Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com)
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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:39:42 -0500
From: attuner <attuner@bestweb.net>
Subject: Re: [rawlife] raw fooders addictions / Medjools

At 07:05 PM 02/03/2001 -0500, bob avery wrote:
>it won't be able to do so if you are continuing to wear hard lenses.

the problem as i see it (pun intended, not!) is that while you are wearing 
the soft ones, you are suffering from malILLUMINATION, the term  coined by 
John Ott for the condition observed in his studies on light. my hard 
lenses, altho holding my eyeballs in check, at least are full spectrum 
allowing all the wavelengths of the visible spectrum into my eyes 
preventing malillumination. the eye has dual function: not only to see, but 
photonic energy stimulates various cells on/in the retina which are 
intimate with the hypothalamus. this is referred to as the 
retinal-hypothalamic-endocrine pathway. i'd rather have eyes held in place 
than a disruption in my endocrine system. neil



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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 00:50:05 -0500
From: Bob Avery <rwavery@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [rawlife] raw fooders addictions / Medjools

Neil,

>the problem as i see it (pun intended, not!) is that while you are
wearing 
>the soft ones, you are suffering from malILLUMINATION
>
>i'd rather have eyes held in place 
>than a disruption in my endocrine system. neil

What if you can have it both ways?  I believe the CSI brand soft contacts
let in more UV than gas perms do.  I think it's something like 98% of the
full spectrum, higher than any other lenses I know of.

And if you are really concerned, you could wear one and leave the other
one off, alternating which one every day. 

Dave,

>the info for essene gathering has not been updated since 1997? and there
>is no way to contact them

You may contact them at esseneinfo@aol.com.

Sharon,

>You may find that too when your body does some good
>cleansing, you will be able to eat some more concentrated raw foods
(like
>seeds and nuts) that you were not able to eat before.  Keep trying to
find
>out what works and don't give up.

A bit of raw honey (1 tsp), because of all the digestive enzymes it
contains, seems to enhance the digestibility of nuts for me -- as does a
long fast (with gradual reintroduction of them).

Anca,

>Somebody told me that for cough is very good honey with goat milk. It is
true?

Honey, yes; goat milk, no.  Mix a little honey and the juice of a lemon
in water feed him that.  Don't worry too much about the cough.  His body
has congestion in his throat or lungs that the cough is trying to clear. 
It will stop by itself when there is no further need for it.

Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com)
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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 11:24:51 +0200
From: coafura@home.ro
Subject: [rawlife] Anca

Hello Friends!
In Romania is cold and it's finally snowing.

My father hasn't good teeth, he has no teeth at all, so he can't chew.
He is only 100 pounds. 

I'll try to keep him far from cheese and chicken soup. Vegetable soup is
OK? Somebody told me about eggs. He likes eggs. Thanks. He also eats
macaroni. It's OK?

It's a good idea for making juice. I already made apple juice.  Thanks,
Nomi. He doesn't like the taste of carrots, so with what do I blend them?

No, I can't collect rain water. I can't find a filter or a water
distiller. I tried to find distilled water at the pharmacy, but they had
only Hydrogen Peroxide ;)) I'll try to boil the water for chlorine get out.

Carol, the Orthodox Church doesn't have fresh food. More, the priest
wants money for prayers...And the markets or stores are selling
anything even in the worse state. We had "the surprise" to found mould
into the coconuts or bananas, so you understand...Here, everything is
good enough for consumers.

Thanks, Judy, for prayers. Thank you all for helping me so much.

Where are you all? In which part of US?

With all my love,
Anca


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 04:52:16 -0500
From: Bob Avery <rwavery@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [rawlife] Anca

Anca,

>Somebody told me about eggs. He likes eggs. 

OK, but raw eggs -- from a healthy chicken.  

>He also eats macaroni. It's OK?
 
Not so good.  Keep to a minimum.

>He doesn't like the taste of carrots, so with what do I blend them?

Try with apple juice.

>No, I can't collect rain water. I can't find a filter or a water
>distiller. I tried to find distilled water at the pharmacy, but they had
>only Hydrogen Peroxide ;)) I'll try to boil the water for chlorine get
out.

No, don't boil, just let it sit in a bucket or pot overnight or even a
day or two.  The gas will escape by itself.  You can taste it yourself to
test.

If you boil the water and there are any mineral impurities in the water,
they will concentrate because some water will leave as steam, but the
minerals will stay behind.  Understand?

>Here, everything is good enough for consumers.
 
How terrible!

>Where are you all? In which part of US?

For me, Michigan -- near the Great Lakes.  It is winter here too.  Snow
everywhere.

You are a very loving daughter.

Take Care,

Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com)
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:45:51 EST
From: Rawfoods@aol.com
Subject: Re: [rawlife] My Dad

Anca
All dairy food is very bad. The only exception would be raw goat milk and 
this must be from a very clean herd of goats. DAiry creates much mucous and 
will make coughing and respiration worse.
Have you thought at all about the idea of a nebulizer and inhaling the mist 
with colloid silver in it?
Please do not feel that your father has to eat a lot, the less he eats, and 
the more simple food that he eats, the more energy his body will have for 
cleansing and healing. 
Of course, herbs and all alternative approaches need time to work, they are 
not like drugs that are faster acting. You must not give up hope, but if he 
is truly "end stage" there are probably some drugs that could make him more 
comfortable. That is not my area of expertise. Wishing you the best-

Nomi Shannon
The Raw Gourmet
www.rawgourmet.com
rawgourmet@aol.com

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