From: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com (rawlife-digest) To: rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Subject: rawlife-digest V1 #351 Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Sender: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Errors-To: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Precedence: bulk rawlife-digest Monday, September 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 351 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 04:55:32 -1000 From: Forest Subject: Re: leaves of celery-toxic??? > > Billy, > > > If the taste is good, swallow. > > > > If the taste is bad, spit. > > > > Toxicity is relative. > > > > Experience a few times and you will get your answer. > > I like your simplicity. That's what I was trying to say above, but > maybe less clearly, certainly less succintly. > > Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) i did that once in new mexico with a root plant growing in a creek. it tasted good, i ate two small ones and almost died. just a word of caution. i looked the plant up in a book when i got home, deadly poison. some mushrooms also, a small bite is deadly. - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:25:06 EDT From: NoGuile144@aol.com Subject: Re: Warrior of the Rainbow Hi Robin the prophecy you mentioned is not too far off of some other prophecies - like: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the earth were passed away....." "Only the pure in heart will see God..." Like it reads in Warriors << Once again, they would be able to feel joy in solitude and in councils. They would be free of petty jealousies and love all mankind as their brothers, regardless of color, race or religion. They would feel happiness enter their hearts, and become as one with the entire human race.>> As a matter of fact any one of us can have this joy and love now - it is up to us!!! In His peace, Peter In a message dated 9/3/00 10:11:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nest4Robin@webtv.net writes: << Here is the prophecy I promised... Robin -------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5472/warrior.html >> - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:28:33 -0400 From: "veto" Subject: Re: Warrior of the Rainbow I red the prophecy and found it beautifull and very accurate. Maybe we should start a group with people who would want to develop toward becoming these warriors? I think we need to talk about how we feed ourself, of course, but also about how to propagate love, physical, psychological and spiritual health? What about creating a egroup "Warriors of the Rainbow"? Viviane - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:05:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Billy Scott Subject: Life-forest / LOL HI ... Here is a conversation... >Hi forest! >You seem to have a little problem with women demanding security from >you...;-). I do have a problem with men refusing to open up and keeping sex >a physical affair only. Maybe some are "insecure" about sharing their >feelings and intimacy? I'll stop here, I feel I disgress too much from the >subject... >Viviane Here is my comment... I love you all the happy bunch/tribe... You make me LOL / LMAO ... Happy Billy icq#73633999 ______________________________________________________ Get Paid... With Your Free Email at http://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=bfree - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 05:45:33 -1000 From: Forest Subject: Re: Life-forest veto wrote: > > Hi forest! > You seem to have a little problem with women demanding security from > you...;-). i am trying to point out how and where i feel new age relationships are getting stuck. i am sure men in general are stuck in such areas as being too physical or in a hurry or whatever, clue me in if you have some more feelings or thoughts about it. i would like to have a healthy relationship before i die if possible. I do have a problem with men refusing to open up and keeping sex > a physical affair only. how do you mean,"open up"? i would like to learn more how to please women in relationship if it doesn't overcompromise my values. Maybe some are "insecure" about sharing their > feelings and intimacy? i am sure there are some men like that. i feel i do ok in those areas, but if you wanna elaborate i am open to understanding better what yer sayin. I'll stop here, I feel I disgress too much from the > subject... > Viviane you mean the subject of raw foods? i wish people here would not feel so guilty diverging, people can always delete. i find some of our off topic discussions as fascinating as the raw food thing. in fact i think we could attract more intelligent people to this list if we included natural living or holistic wellness while maintaining an emphasis on raw foods. aloha, f - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 From: "Shari V" Subject: juicer This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0164E.7A20BD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We are in a quandary at the house. It’s a very long story, but to make it short we are without a juicer. We had a Champion, liked the ease of cleaning. We had a Green Life, liked the juice. We know we don’t want another Champion, but looked at various websites and saw Green Life, Green Power, Omega 8000, and an Oscar. The Oscar is intriguing in that it is a single gear juicer. They all run about the same price and claim to do the same things. Anyone have any experience with the Omega or the Oscar? I did not find a site for the Angel. Thanks, Shari - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0164E.7A20BD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We are in a quandary at the = house.  It’s a very long story, = but to make it short we are without a juicer.  = We had a Champion, liked the ease of cleaning.  We had a Green Life, liked the = juice.

 

We= know we don’t want another Champion, but looked at various websites and = saw Green Life, Green Power, Omega 8000, and an Oscar.  The Oscar is intriguing in that it is a single gear juicer.  They all run about the same = price and claim to do the same things.  Anyone have any experience with the Omega or the Oscar?  =

 

I = did not find a site for the Angel.

 

Th= anks, Shari

- ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0164E.7A20BD40-- - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:01:59 -0700 From: "Shari V" Subject: homemade almond butter Peter - I was curious how you are making your almond butter. I have put soaked almonds through the Green Power and it comes out so dang dry it's like trying to eat paste! Shari - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 05:57:36 -1000 From: Forest Subject: Re: Warrior of the Rainbow NoGuile144@aol.com wrote: > As a matter of fact any one of us can have this joy and love now - it is up > to us!!! > In His peace, Peter hi peter, good point, i agree. i notice you end yer posts with in *His* peace. why do you emphasize the male gender in spirituality? aloha, f > - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:01:38 EDT From: NoGuile144@aol.com Subject: Re: Warrior of the Rainbow Hi Viviane, It sounds great to start "Warrior of the Rainbow." If our tribe here would agree with this we could just make some comments here? Let us here from our tribe? I and my wife used to "fight" for years, but for some years now it is just more than beautiful. As you know there are few secrets to learn. In His joy, Peter In a message dated 9/4/00 11:28:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vvenisse@sympatico.ca writes: << I red the prophecy and found it beautifull and very accurate. Maybe we should start a group with people who would want to develop toward becoming these warriors? I think we need to talk about how we feed ourself, of course, but also about how to propagate love, physical, psychological and spiritual health? What about creating a egroup "Warriors of the Rainbow"? Viviane >> - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:6:44 -0600 From: "Carol G" Subject: MS Local paper discussed this man, maybe 40's, that had MS and lack of media coverage for a big bike race was his main gripe. Well, having a health/wellness business/ministry part of Hall. Acres, I decided today to take the challenge and explain, sweetly, about lifestyle choices, assuming that is his problem. We have testimonies of people healed of MS with lifestyle changes, but was careful not to prescribe/diagnose/play dr. Years ago wrote to the local foundation, also tried to speak at a church group where they have support grp. for MS and cancer patients, and got no response from foundation, and a "board voted no to have me share" for the church. Well, I suppose we shall play the wait and see if this MS man who cries lack of media coverage will come forth and want to change his lifestyle. Hey maybe this could be the beginning of more raw or more vegetarian people to fellowship. Hey I don't mnd the meat people, but my life sort of revolves around "raw eating" so nice to have some friends and always express the love of the meal with such people. Keep you posted, but couldn't let this article pass me by and for him to be brain set as he wrote there is no prevention, no cure, etc. Hey I didn't promise him a thing, but if he decides to make lifestyle changes, then I believe he can get victory like others have. I love this lifestyle so for us it's always been easy, but I accept for others it may take more challenges. I also shared maybe he is waiting for the perfect pill/drug or injection, and directed him to visit the Physician's Desk Reference for adverse effects of drugs saying I didn't believe that "drugs cure" as my personal opinion I told him I was writing. Will let you know if he responds. Hugs, CArol G. - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:21:23 -0700 From: Paul Nison Subject: correction from paul nison HI, I made a typo. my new dates are, On sunday sept 24th from 2 to 5 pm is my food prep class at caravan and on sat oct 14th is my lecture at caravan from 3 to 6 pm Paul Nison - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:12:44 -0600 From: "Carol G" Subject: Pulumary(?) Hypertension Disorder A friend, RN, medical model thinking, has above disease. Been going the usual medical treatments and wrote yesterday her condition is never going to get any better. She's in 40's..youngest kid 3. She's vegetarian--cooked, some raw salads, refuses to juice, refuses to go raw as she said the kids and hubby don't want to, and accepts life with shortness of breath, rapid heart beat, etc. How sad for one to give up so. She is so sweet, but for her maybe taking a "silent death treatment" internally. We met on net, got to visit many times as we live a long drive away, and hate to see people just accept what the dr. tells them as truth. Now her ins. covers most of her medical treatments, for me, not an option as drs. want to get paid and without insurance at the "long" present time not an option or desire. Well, here I was pouring out heart and does anyone know of this disease or people who have had it. Was their answer drugs? Hugs, Carol G. - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:20:45 +0800 From: greg Subject: Re: leaves of celery-toxic??? - --------------840452A3558D59E894195362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, celery contains the toxin "psoralen", which is a potent photosensitizer. A few years ago, I experienced very painful photosensitivity after drinking celery juice each day for a couple of weeks. For a long time I had no idea at all what was going on, what was causing it. Only years later and after long searching on the internet, did I manage to track down why I was photosensitive and it turned out to be the celery. I was surprised and shocked that a natural plant food could be so toxic! Have not read anything which specifically says that celery leaves have higher levels of psoralens than the stalks, but my guess is that the leaves would. Buckwheat and buckwheat greens can also cause photosensitivity in humans and in grazing animals. Stress of the plant, ie drought, or injury, or nutrient stress increases the level of celery psoralens. Generally speaking, stress will increases the levels of all plant toxins. So when growing home vegetables, it is best to keep the plants growing smoothly, steadily and no stress. When on a citrus only diet for a couple of weeks (eating only oranges), my skin once again became exceedingly sore, irritated and very painful. After long searching on the net, I finally came across the information that citrus also has psoralens and can cause photosensitivity. Also, importantly, these toxins not only cause photosensitivity, in certain doses and circumstances these toxins cause great damage to the cells, even destroying them. Because of these adverse reactions to some plant foods, I have spent a lot of time searching around for information on plant toxins. Quite difficult to find exact information, but am progressively learning more. It turns out, that most plant foods have toxins, which are their natural defenses against being eaten by insects or animals. Fruit when immature, often have tannins and polyphenols which are toxic to some degree or another, but generally when the fruit matures and ripens these toxins alter chemical structure or are reduced to much lower levels. Green leaves are generally more of a problem because they generally contain much higher levels of toxins than fruits. Primates in the wild are often very particular about which leaves they eat, bypassing mature leaves and preferring the younger tender leaves which are lower in toxins and higher in protein. Sometimes they won't even eat the leaf at all, but will only eat the leaf stem and throw the rest of the leaf away. Some primates that have been captured and put into captivity have died because the leaves they were fed were not suitable for their biological makeup. Ruminant animals have more complex stomachs and digestive systems and can cope with higher levels of plant toxins due to the bacteria in their stomachs metabolizing and breakdown the toxins. Legumes have the chemical called "lectin" which can be quite toxic. Lectins agglutinate red blood cells, ie cause them to stick together in clumps. Wheat germ agglutinin is well known for this effect. Lectins also bind to various cells in the digestive system or inside the body and cause the cells to malfunction or even be damaged. Legumes and grains contain trypsin inhibitors which cause malfunction of the digestive cells lining the digestive tract. It results in the cells dividing and multiplying quicker but they do not mature properly, thus are functionally defective. The digestive capacity is ultimately reduced and malnutrition can result. Eating raw red kidney beans can even kill animals and people. Millet and sorgum contains cyanide compounds which are known to exert an anti-nutritional effect. Interestingly, sprouting the millet or sorgum causes the cyanide compounds to increase manifold, thus increasing it's toxicity. Hmmm, I always did wonder why millet had a negative affect on my body and now I know. Also, millet has a goitergenic action and can cause goiter in both animals and humans. Amazing eh? I thought plant foods and especially raw plant foods were the most healthy of foods. But it turns out that things are not so simple. I guess this is exactly why animals in the wild (for example primates in their natural habitat) are so particular about what they eat and why they eat such a large diversity of foods. Ie To minimize their intake of any particular plant toxin. Currently I am trying to find out all I can about plant toxins so that I can better choose which foods to eat and which ones to leave alone, or eat in moderation. Until then, moderation and diversification in choice of food is my approach. As I find out more will post it to the group. Take care Greg Woolley PS. Something I have long suspected but only recently found information on, is that green leaves growing under full sun have higher levels of toxins and lower protein content, than the same crop growing under cloudy conditions. I have found only one reference to this on the net, so will keep looking for other sources to verify or not. - -------------------------------- eck wrote: > I learnt at a first aid course last week thta celery leaves are > toxic...I have been using them up for years but i do not think i will > more, just in case .Eck > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Avery > To: rawlife@rawtimes.com > Date: Monday, 4 September 2000 1:32 > Subject: Re: leaves of celery-toxic??? > Tom, > Hi all, I was just reading in an interview > with Tim Trader > >(natural hygienist from Florida) and he mentioned in > passing that the > >leaves of celery were toxic. Can anyone verify this?? They > probably have "something" in them that isn't so good. When > I eat celery, I tend to eat the whole thing, but many people > cut off the heels and the leaves. I do find the leaves a > bit "stronger" than the rest of the celery, but not really > unpleasant. Taste them yourself and see what your own > tastebuds think. That was how we were meant to tell toxic > from nontoxic plants in nature. My guess is that any toxins > in them would be pretty mild ones. I can't stand the taste > of swiss chard, for example, so I don't eat it. For me, > it's toxic, but some people like it just fine. There are > also individual differences in how our bodies process > various chemicals. Billy, > If the taste is good, > swallow.>> If the taste is bad, spit.>> Toxicity is > relative.>> Experience a few times and you will get your > answer. I like your simplicity. That's what I was trying to > say above, but maybe less clearly, certainly less succintly. > Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) > - --------------840452A3558D59E894195362 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all,

celery contains the toxin "psoralen", which is a potent photosensitizer. A few years ago, I experienced very painful photosensitivity after drinking celery juice each day for a couple of weeks. For a long time I had no idea at all what was going on, what was causing it. Only years later and after long searching on the internet, did I manage to track down why I was photosensitive and it turned out to be the celery. I was surprised and shocked that a natural plant food could be so toxic! Have not read anything which specifically says that celery leaves have higher levels of psoralens than the stalks, but my guess is that the leaves would. Buckwheat and buckwheat greens can also cause photosensitivity in humans and in grazing animals. Stress of the plant, ie drought, or injury, or nutrient stress increases the level of celery psoralens. Generally speaking, stress will increases the levels of all plant toxins.  So when growing home vegetables, it is best to keep the plants growing smoothly, steadily and no stress.

When on a citrus only diet for a couple of weeks (eating only oranges), my skin once again became exceedingly sore, irritated and very painful. After long searching on the net, I finally came across the information that citrus also has psoralens and can cause photosensitivity. Also, importantly, these toxins not only cause photosensitivity, in certain doses and circumstances these toxins cause great damage to the cells, even destroying them.

Because of these adverse reactions to some plant foods, I have spent a lot of time searching around for information on plant toxins. Quite difficult to find exact information, but am progressively learning more. It turns out, that most plant foods have toxins, which are their natural defenses against being eaten by insects or animals. Fruit when immature, often have tannins and polyphenols which are toxic to some degree or another, but generally when the fruit matures and ripens these toxins alter chemical structure or are reduced to much lower levels.

Green leaves are generally more of a problem because they generally contain much higher levels of toxins than fruits. Primates in the wild are often very particular about which leaves they eat, bypassing mature leaves and preferring the younger tender leaves which are lower in toxins and higher in protein. Sometimes they won't even eat the leaf at all, but will only eat the leaf stem and throw the rest of the leaf away. Some primates that have been captured and put into captivity have died because the leaves they were fed were not suitable for their biological makeup.

Ruminant animals have more complex stomachs and digestive systems and can cope with higher levels of plant toxins due to the bacteria in their stomachs metabolizing and breakdown the toxins.

Legumes have the chemical called "lectin" which can be quite toxic. Lectins agglutinate red blood cells, ie cause them to stick together in clumps. Wheat germ agglutinin is well known for this effect. Lectins also bind to various cells in the digestive system or inside the body and cause the cells to malfunction or even be damaged. Legumes and grains contain trypsin inhibitors which cause malfunction of the digestive cells lining the digestive tract. It results in the cells dividing and multiplying quicker but they do not mature properly, thus are functionally defective. The digestive capacity is ultimately reduced and malnutrition can result. Eating raw red kidney beans can even kill animals and people.

Millet and sorgum contains cyanide compounds which are known to exert an anti-nutritional effect. Interestingly, sprouting the millet or sorgum causes the cyanide compounds to increase manifold, thus increasing it's toxicity. Hmmm, I always did wonder why millet had a negative affect on my body and now I know. Also, millet has a goitergenic action and can cause goiter in both animals and humans. Amazing eh? I thought plant foods and especially raw plant foods were the most healthy of foods. But it turns out that things are not so simple. I guess this is exactly why animals in the wild (for example primates in their natural habitat) are so particular about what they eat and why they eat such a large diversity of foods. Ie To minimize their intake of any particular plant toxin.

Currently I am trying to find out all I can about plant toxins so that I can better choose which foods to eat and which ones to leave alone, or eat in moderation. Until then, moderation and diversification in choice of food is my approach. As I find out more will post it to the group.

Take care

Greg Woolley

PS. Something I have long suspected but only recently found information on, is that green leaves growing under full sun have higher levels of toxins and lower protein content, than the same crop growing under cloudy conditions. I have found only one reference to this on the net, so will keep looking for other sources to verify or not.
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eck wrote:

 I learnt at a first aid course last week thta celery leaves are toxic...I have been using them up for years but i do not think i will more, just in case .Eck
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Avery <rwavery@juno.com>
To: rawlife@rawtimes.com <rawlife@rawtimes.com>
Date: Monday, 4 September 2000 1:32
Subject: Re: leaves of celery-toxic???
 Tom, >        Hi all,  I was just reading in an interview with Tim Trader
>(natural hygienist from Florida) and he mentioned in passing that the
>leaves of celery were toxic. Can anyone verify this?? They probably have "something" in them that isn't so good.  When I eat celery, I tend to eat the whole thing, but many people cut off the heels and the leaves.  I do find the leaves a bit "stronger" than the rest of the celery, but not really unpleasant. Taste them yourself and see what your own tastebuds think.  That was how we were meant to tell toxic from nontoxic plants in nature.  My guess is that any toxins in them would be pretty mild ones. I can't stand the taste of swiss chard, for example, so I don't eat it.  For me, it's toxic, but some people like it just fine.  There are also individual differences in how our bodies process various chemicals. Billy, >   If the taste is good, swallow.>>   If the taste is bad, spit.>>   Toxicity is relative.>>   Experience a few times and you will get your answer. I like your simplicity.  That's what I was trying to say above, but maybe less clearly, certainly less succintly. Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com)
- --------------840452A3558D59E894195362-- - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 11:04:37 -0400 From: attuner Subject: Re: food and karma/ minimal weight.. billy - i can understand other peoples reactions. i too am the same height, but i weigh 155 lbs. or so, and i am still so thin that people comment. very little body fat: last time measured was 5-6%, therefore weight mostly muscle. i am not all raw, but i do need energy to exercise aerobically ( i am primarily a runner and hiker of trails) and deal with treating folks in my practice. the gaunt appearance scares off patients, so it definitely is not for me. my question is, do you have the energy, and health, to do whatever you want. you sound like you're very laid back. what i want to know is if you can kick butt whenever. neil At 01:21 PM 09/03/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Hi . . . > > I have been experiencing with food, fasting for some >8 years, so here is a tidbit of info that might be usefull >to some... > > Minimalweight: i am a male, 5 feet 11.5 inches or about >1.79 metre i weighted as little as 100 pounds or 45 kilos >for sometime without "side effect", i was completely func- >tionnal. Or i should say that i had a lot of GOOD side >effects. > > I guess i could have weighted some 10% less without any >problem except of course the reactions from other people. > > One of the reason i added more weight was to avoid >conflicts with people. Being so "different" is a shock to >many and they can react quite harsly, thinking i am suicidal >or HIV+ or anorexic... > > They can run away from fear or dump on me their need for >more protein/fat in my diet. > > Except for human interaction i was doin GREAT, yoga was >blissfull, and the general feeling of being was marvelous. > > Next time i go so low, it will be in the natural jungle >instead of the city one. > > You might have read about going breatharian, eaven if it >is not a goal, it can be a direction. > > Fasting and meditation go very well together. > > Harmony being paramount, the diet should be relative to >our surroundings, our present state of being. > > Not forced by will power. > > I believe(for now) more in simple living. Our needs are >ridiculously minimal compared to what we learned from our >cultural heritage(for most of us). > > Power games are to progressively dissapear from our lives. > > Intuition, synchronicity, AMAZING GRACE can become part >of our daily experiences. > > If you are on your path, please know that the efforts >are REALLY WORTH IT. > > LIFE PROVIDES... > >Happy Billy >ICQ # 73633999 >mailto:BFREE@zwallet.com > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Paid... With Your Free Email at >http://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=ido > > >--- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html >subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:02:31 -0400 From: attuner Subject: Re: leaves of celery-toxic??? / maybe?? never heard of it before. doesn't sound or feel right, especially if home grown organically. the point happy is making is one to follow: if organic, eat it over several occasions. if it is tasty and you do not have any reactions before, during, and after eating, it is probably ok for you. however, i am not a big celery 'believer.' use it only for taste purposes, not because it is a must for nutrition. nice to add a little to salads once in awhile, juice, soups. neil At 06:56 PM 09/03/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tom! > > > > Here is my present view on this? > > > > Objective reality is a concept, not a fact. > > > > We all create our own reality. > >Thank you, Happy. > While I do agree with you that we all creat our own reality I still >would like to know if anyone has heard this before. -tom > > > >--- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html >subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:14:08 -0400 From: attuner Subject: Re: Liquid oils and NAS i was NEVER in favor of coffee enemas. the best detox, i feel, with enemas is dear old ann wigmore's wheatgrass implant. does the same as caffeine without any of the side effects. neil At 11:48 PM 09/03/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Robin, > > >What do you use > >for salad dressing bases then? In David Wolfe's book The Sunfood Diet > >Success System he said on pg > >I presume that question wasn't asked of me. (:-) Been years since I've >used salad dressing. I eat my greens buck naked. > > >What is it about the coffee that gets the desired results? > >The caffeine is absorbed through the colon into the liver/gallbladder >area, causing a spasm that releases some of the junk in there. If you do >this often, you will develop a caffeine addiction and get headache >withdrawal symptoms, just as you do when quitting coffee. > >The Gerson people think this procedure is a good idea, but I've never been >fond of the concept of chasing poisons with poisons. They also recommend >organic coffee, BTW, as the usual commercial stuff has other toxins in it >besides the caffeine. > >Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:16:31 -0400 From: attuner Subject: Re: Sleep survey... my sleep pattern varies. even when 100% raw i seemed to need 6 hours minimum, up to 8. on very rare occasions 5 would do. can't seem to get any lower consistently. guess i like to dream. neil At 02:08 AM 09/04/2000 -0500, you wrote: >LOL, > > May i ask you how many hours do you sleep on average?? > > You might also put in a few notes like x% raw or 80% >ideal diet...how many years of improved diet? > > I guess we will learn something. > > I am always amazed that nobody brings up that subject. > > You can use a phony name, i will just look at the # > > Thanks,,,, > >Happy Billy >icq# 73633999 > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Paid... With Your Free Email at >http://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=ido > > >--- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html >subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:25:57 EDT From: NoGuile144@aol.com Subject: Re: juicer Hi Shari, I have used 2 champions - they break down after a while. I also had enough of them. I ended up using them for "ice-cream," but VitaMix will also do a good job for that. I used Omega a little and sent it back - as I remember a more cleaning, but the same principle as any of the Juice Man juicers (unless they have something different by now). Now I use the Angel Juicer, but more time of cleaning and processing, but it is the best in juicing greens - very quick and best of all for that. For quick juice I still use Juiceman - supposedly the worst in juice quality, but very quick and easy to clean and juice tastes very good too. In His love, Peter In a message dated 9/4/00 11:50:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, shavig@premier1.net writes: << We are in a quandary at the house. It’s a very long story, but to make it short we are without a juicer. We had a Champion, liked the ease of cleaning. We had a Green Life, liked the juice. We know we don’t want another Champion, but looked at various websites and saw Green Life, Green Power, Omega 8000, and an Oscar. The Oscar is intriguing in that it is a single gear juicer. They all run about the same price and claim to do the same things. Anyone have any experience with the Omega or the Oscar? I did not find a site for the Angel. Thanks, Shari >> - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ End of rawlife-digest V1 #351 ***************************** --- RAWLIFE-DIGEST - faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net