From: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com (rawlife-digest) To: rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Subject: rawlife-digest V1 #284 Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Sender: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Errors-To: owner-rawlife-digest@rawtimes.com Precedence: bulk rawlife-digest Thursday, June 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 284 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:18:23 -0600 From: Jo Yoshida Subject: NFL Plagiarism and Copyrights Hi Steve, >I'm going to diverge for just a moment from the topic of this list - >Living/Raw Foods - to help try and clarify what a copyright is all >about. Thanks for the info on copyrights. Did your book also mention a latency period of a copyright? Hi Bob, >Hovanessian is dead and already was when the NFL book came out, and he >never copyrighted his book. It was printed in Iran, which maybe (I'm not >sure) didn't even subscribe to the international copyright conventions at >that time. So are you implying that, because Raw Eating may not be protected by appropriate copyright laws, that NFL be given carte blanche to its contents to copyright AS ITS OWN (which they did)?? (*) >I claim that "intellectual theft" is a man-made crime, just as >prostitution is a man-made crime. There is no natural law against either >one, and an argument can be made that there shouldn't be a man-made law >either. Man-made or natural laws, you seem to agree that the theft of another person's creativity for profit is wrong. Am I correct on this? >They've been pressed quite a bit over the last few years on the internet >newslists. And because they respond to requests to sincerely address the matter with denial, derision and name calling, should we forget about it, consider it "old history," and hope to heck that the raw food community's integrity is never questioned by newcomers and the curious? that these same people never encounter the issue and thereby potentially create more tension within the community? I mean, there will always be those who prefer not to lie or steal to achieve their goals. As Mark pointed out, this issue becomes "old history" only when they apologize and stop selling their plagiarized book. As long as NFL continues to sell that book, it's "recent history." >>But more to the point: do I need laws to tell me that it's just >>downright un-cool and dishonest to steal someone else's writings and >>copyright it with my name as if I wrote the darn thing? > >No. This is wrong. (*) If the answer is affirmative to the above query, then how does it jive with your clear condemnation here? >It is true that you don't have to file for copyright, >but you have to at least warn others that you are claiming ownership. By placing my name below the title of a work I wrote? Unfortunately, it wasn't enough for Arshavir Ter Hovannessian. But maybe I'm jumping the gun here. Bob, do you think Nature's First Law is a plagiarism of Raw Eating? If no, then we can agree to disagree. If yes, do you care to help resolve the issue? If yes, how? Sincerely, Jo - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:32:32 -1000 From: Forest Subject: Re: NFL Plagiarism and Copyrights Jo Yoshida wrote: do you care to help > resolve the issue? If yes, how? hi jo, it's refreshing to have yer support on this issue, i really didn't think it would go this far, but i do think the internet is a pretty optimum way at least in part to resolve this issue. that is why i brought up the subject in the first place a couple weeks ago. i bet david wolfe by now has tuned into this discussion and is sitting on the sidelines thinkin about things a bit. i guess there will always be some of the masses duped by sneaky gurus who cheat at their game, but perhaps it is good to note that the masses deserve the right to be duped until they learn to think for themselves and consider and are open to other options besides follow the leader. at the same time we can also resolve this issue by offering other options and choices to our peers besides the leader/follower mentality that is still prevelant in society. this internet forum sure offers those options to me. once again mahalo for sharing it's fun and interesting. in the spirit of consensus, f - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:36:35 -1000 From: Forest Subject: Re: Nuts and Fasting on Sundays anyone else get a chuckle outta the title of this thread? i think it could be taken in a few different ways. opps, hope i'm not interupting here????? f - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:41:10 -1000 From: Forest Subject: Re: chelation therapy in general it is injected for most dramatic effect, however it can be taken orally as well altho according to one opinion i read it is less effective that way. one m2m guy had an address where folks could order from a doctor the injections and administer for the self at a considerable savings. Shari V wrote: > > Please, no one has answered my question: what is chelation therapy and how > is it administered? Do you eat it? Drink? Inject? I've chelated > formulas, but haven't a clue what they are about. I'm getting to know what > they are used for, but not sure what they "look" like. > > Thanks, Shari - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:43:59 EDT From: Amstucker@aol.com Subject: Re: Chelation Therapy/EDTA Dear Kathleen, The chelation therapy I took for about a year helped me very much. Before treatment, I was having all sorts of heaviness in the chest, heart palpitations, etc. An orthodox doctor wanted to run that instrument up through my groin to the heart, with using radioactive something to "view" my problem. I just could not go that route, instead did the chelation and also drastically improved my diet. I am convinced that we all need to take the optimum amount of the Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty acids (equally balanced) in the form of raw greens, especially the cold-processed green powders now available (Omega 3) and then also the raw seeds and nuts, flax oil, etc., for the Omega 6. Cod Liver Oil is another important asset needed for heart health, not only for its Omega 3, but also for its being an important source for the real Vitamin A, as distinguished from the pro-Vitamin A we get from green vegetables. We also need to eat fish, naturally grown in ocean waters, not the commercial kind from fish farms. No doctor will ever think about the need to avoid the bad fats, much less the need to make sure one gets the right fatty acids in the correct balanced amounts. We have all been duped into thinking that all fats are alike; nothing could be further from the truth! With all the things I have done for improved heart health, I feel better now than I did 5 years ago, even though I am now 72! Marian - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:43:03 EDT From: Oysters476@aol.com Subject: Re: Steaming Cruciferous and Zen Palate's banana i asked Gary Null about raw vs steamed, he advocated steaming for the cruciferous -- broccoli, cauli, even carrots. fyi. i will be going to his retreat in florida for a week starting July 9. my computer has been 'a la fritz' lately so i don't know if you've already had this whole discussion. also, i asked the mgr at Zen Palate /Westbury, Long Island, to find out about that banana dessert. it's NOT VEGAN, because it has casein in it. No dairy, though. hope this is helpful peace, celia - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:58:47 CDT From: "Sue J Harris" Subject: Re: Nuts and Fasting on Sundays/Nearings Peter, the book gives you instructions on how to do these Five Exercises for your health. The book gives one extra #6. I also found these Exercises on:From: NoGuile144@aol.com >Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com >To: rawlife@rawtimes.com >Subject: Re: Nuts and Fasting on Sundays/Nearings >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:07:09 EDT > >Hi Sue and Heide - >The book - Fountain of Youth. Could you just indicate in few words of what >makes that book so special? 100% raw, good attitude? >In His peace, Peter > >In a message dated 6/27/00 10:43:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >sue33_1999@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Heide, I never stopped to thank you for recomending the book"Fountain > of Youth by Peter Kelder, with the five Tibetan Rites. I was so > impressed with the book that I bought four more to send to all my > children. So far, they have been impressed with them also. Wouldn't > it be great to live to be 120 and still be healthy? Thank you again! > Love, Sue By the way, I fast on Sundays too. I feel much better to > fast one day a week. > > > >From: HFWESSELS@aol.com > >Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com > >To: rawlife@rawtimes.com > >Subject: Re: Nuts and Fasting on Sundays/Nearings > >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:29:32 EDT > > > >The Nearing, well-known vegetarians, always fasted on Sundays....one of >the > >reasons was that they then could concentrate on other activities in that > >freed time....Heide in DC > > >> > >--- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html >subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:46:40 -0600 From: Jo Yoshida Subject: Re: Steaming LOVE (From Franny NOT Vicky) Hi Franny, Your comment about the big difference between eating 99% to 100% raw; cooked food being addictive: >bollocks!!!!!! Humans are soooo weak that 1% of food intake is >going to make ALL the difference??? what a load of dogmatic crap!! Thank you for expressing your opinion so succinctly! >After eating 80-90% raw for nearly 3 years, followed by almost 1 year >of 100% raw (no cheating, not overeating nuts etc, every food VERY >well grown, ALL organic, all good food combiining, lots and lots of >vege juicing (mainly greens) lots of wheatgrass juice (grown and >made myself) etc, including a small amount of cooked food has made >ALL the difference. I feel stronger, I have more endurance, everyone >who knows me says I am looking better (and without knowing my dietary >change). I really dont believe that ANY diet is perfect, you have to find >individual balence. And if a group of militant raw vegans told you that you were foolishly hijacking a drawn out detox process; that you didn't have the patience to completely cleanse your body; that you must have been doing something wrong on 100%, what would be your response? ;) Seriously, I'm very happy that you've managed to look beyond the dogma / rhetoric of idealized diets. It took me almost 12 years to shed this noose and I paid the price. I think the key phrase in your post was "individual balance." It seems you're on your way. >AND they ripped me off!! They charged me $70 US more than they quoted me >and have ignored all emails I have sent to them about it!!!! >If thats what raw food does to a person, then bake me one of those >terrible poisenous cooked meals!!!! aaaaarrrrrrggghhhh!!!!! East Indian or Thai? Have you considered sending them a double registered letter (a polite one) outlining your claim? If you've done so already, how about contacting the Better Business Bureau in your state? Finally, small claims court? >I cant wait to read the bashing that I am about to get for these statements, >and I cant wait to seperate the dogma from the truth!!! I think you already have. Your truth is that your health and vitality have improved markedly without being 100% raw. This counts for SO much more than being manipulated by dietary dogma. If other people aren't supportive of your results because your glowing health doesn't match their expectations, they may need to contemplate on what lies beneath their resentment. In my case, congratulations! Jo - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:59:16 +1000 From: Vicky Subject: Re: Prana as food Lots of people who go onto the RAW FOOD diet are comparing it to the SAD diet..... there is a MASSIVE diff. between the SAD diet, and a frugal WHOLE FOOD diet, with mainly raw, but including some steamed veges and some cooked whole grains.... Most people with helath problems would clear up the problems by not eating all the crap in theior diets, (ie. anything in a plastic wrapper, box bag etc....) Smiles, Franny HFWESSELS@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 06/28/2000 1:54:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > vicky@demontea.com writes: > > > The life energy that we recieve (prana) is only 10% from food, the rest > > is from LIFE!!!!! We are are only partly physical beings!!!> > > I agree with you. Although I try to have what I consider to be a good diet > for me, I also KNOW that food is only part of it. There are lots of older > people, like Scott Nearing, a vegetarian, but not raw foodist, who was well > and active until he died. Scott was nearly 100. While the illnesses that I > see in a lot of people are food-related, they are also mostly due to the > wrong foods: out of a box, diet drinks, herbicides, preservatives, etc. > > Love, > Heide > > --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html > subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:08:53 +1000 From: Vicky Subject: Re: steaming ....love!! Well we all know that eating RAW un-germinated nuts and seeds taxes the bodies enzyme reserve (due to all the enzyme inhibitors like phytic acid etc) I bet there are a lot of 100% raw fooders that say, "aaarrrgh, I cant eat that piece of steamed Brocolli, cause it will tax my enzyme reserve" , but HAPPILY munch away on a bag of raw unsproted nuts or seeds! whats the diff??? (on enzyme reserve???) I still believe that cooking nuts etc damages the protein structures etc...) > what do you base this opinion on about a limited amount of enzymes, could you > direct me to some scientific evidence, i am new to this theory? > > > > She gave us figures - on the difference between raw and cooked and just > > that 1% cooked, makes on the body - and you cannot question it!! lots of this enzyme research (showing depleted enzyme production) is on old people that have had a lifetime of really shit "food:" (ie SAD diet), not on people that have many raw, with some cooked...... I think it will be a lonng, long time before there are any deffinitive answers to this!!! > well whenever we use absolute no statements someone is bound to question so > here i am, why can't i question that? do your believe everything you hear from > your guru's without furthur investigation? Thats the trouble with getting on ony high-horse... you start accepting your gurus word as gosple!!! I did it!! Now I laugh at my self!!! Nothing is 100%% !!! No one is TOTALLY correct!!! There are grey areas everywhere!!!! Smiles n peace n light, Franny : ) - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:12:18 +1000 From: Vicky Subject: Caesin ....milk protein?? Oysters476@aol.com wrote: > i asked Gary Null about raw vs steamed, he advocated steaming for the > cruciferous -- broccoli, cauli, even carrots. fyi. i will be going to his > retreat in florida for a week starting July 9. > my computer has been 'a la fritz' lately so i don't know if you've already > had this whole discussion. > also, i asked the mgr at Zen Palate /Westbury, Long Island, to find out about > that banana dessert. it's NOT VEGAN, because it has casein in it. No dairy, > though. as far as i know, caesin is the protein from milk.. isnt it??? Smiles, Franny - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:23:31 +1000 From: Vicky Subject: Re: Steaming LOVE (From Franny NOT Vicky) - --------------06A2AF8B22C97E4B6F5A8F03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo Jo!! > And if a group of militant raw vegans told you that you were > foolishly hijacking a drawn out detox process; that you didn't have > the patience to completely cleanse your body; that you must have been > doing something wrong on 100%, what would be your response? ;) hahahah!!!! I used to think this!!!!! After weeks of eating nothing but fruit, I used to get dizzy, and low energy, the more fruit I ate, the worse I felt... I used to think, "arrr, its just the detox process"....... how foolish!! It was massive SUGAR overdose!!!! Now my teeth have eroded thanks to this exterme-ness..... and this was with not-so-sweet fruit like ORANGES and PAW PAWS!!!! > >and have ignored all emails I have sent to them about it!!!! > >If thats what raw food does to a person, then bake me one of those > >terrible poisenous cooked meals!!!! aaaaarrrrrrggghhhh!!!!! > > East Indian or Thai? hmmm, thats a hard choice!!!!!!!! > Have you considered sending them a double registered letter (a polite > one) outlining your claim? If you've done so already, how about > contacting the Better Business Bureau in your state? Finally, small > claims court? well, i live in Australia, so I guess the small claims court is out (maybe not????) I dont think its reallt worth the effort to get back $70, but I will tell everyone not to be sucked in by the NFL assholes!!! > I think you already have. Your truth is that your health and vitality > have improved markedly without being 100% raw. This counts for SO > much more than being manipulated by dietary dogma. If other people > aren't supportive of your results because your glowing health doesn't > match their expectations, they may need to contemplate on what lies > beneath their resentment. I would seriously suggest people take a look at www.drbass.com It made a big difference to my life! Smiles, Franny - --------------06A2AF8B22C97E4B6F5A8F03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo Jo!!
And if a group of militant raw vegans told you that you were
foolishly hijacking a drawn out detox process; that you didn't have
the patience to completely cleanse your body; that you must have been
doing something wrong on 100%, what would be your response? ;)
hahahah!!!!    I used to think this!!!!!   After weeks of eating nothing but fruit,
I used to get dizzy, and low energy, the more fruit I ate, the worse I felt...
I used to think, "arrr, its just the detox process".......   how foolish!!
It was massive SUGAR overdose!!!!   Now my teeth have eroded
thanks to this exterme-ness.....    and this was with not-so-sweet fruit
like ORANGES and PAW PAWS!!!!
>and have ignored all emails I have sent to them about it!!!!
>If thats what raw food does to a person, then bake me one of those
>terrible poisenous cooked meals!!!!   aaaaarrrrrrggghhhh!!!!!

East Indian or Thai?

hmmm, thats a hard choice!!!!!!!!
Have you considered sending them a double registered letter (a polite
one) outlining your claim? If you've done so already, how about
contacting the Better Business Bureau in your state? Finally, small
claims court?
well, i live in Australia, so I guess the small claims court is out
(maybe not????)      I dont think its reallt worth the effort to get back
$70, but I will tell everyone not to be sucked in by the NFL assholes!!!
I think you already have. Your truth is that your health and vitality
have improved markedly without being 100% raw. This counts for SO
much more than being manipulated by dietary dogma. If other people
aren't supportive of your results because your glowing health doesn't
match their expectations, they may need to contemplate on what lies
beneath their resentment.
I would seriously suggest people take a look at     www.drbass.com
 It made a big difference to my life!

Smiles,
               Franny
  - --------------06A2AF8B22C97E4B6F5A8F03-- - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:25:43 -0700 From: "Shari V" Subject: RE: chelation therapy Okay, now I got the injection part, but WHAT are you injecting? S "All new models begin with criticism of the current model." Dr. Doug Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com [mailto:owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com]On Behalf Of Forest Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 12:41 PM To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Subject: Re: chelation therapy in general it is injected for most dramatic effect, however it can be taken orally as well altho according to one opinion i read it is less effective that way. one m2m guy had an address where folks could order from a doctor the injections and administer for the self at a considerable savings. Shari V wrote: > > Please, no one has answered my question: what is chelation therapy and how > is it administered? Do you eat it? Drink? Inject? I've chelated > formulas, but haven't a clue what they are about. I'm getting to know what > they are used for, but not sure what they "look" like. > > Thanks, Shari - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:46:16 -1000 From: Forest Subject: Re: Prana as food > > > In a message dated 06/28/2000 1:54:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > vicky@demontea.com writes: > > > > > The life energy that we recieve (prana) is only 10% from food, the rest > > > is from LIFE!!!!! We are are only partly physical beings!!!> thanks vicky, i think you make a good point here. f - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:56:27 -1000 From: Forest Subject: Re: chelation therapy Shari V wrote: > > Okay, now I got the injection part, but WHAT are you injecting? S shari, i posted twice some more info on chelation, did you get it? f - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:12:01 EDT From: KathleenDG@aol.com Subject: What is chelation therapy, Shari? Poor Shari dispite repeated attempts no one wants to tell her what Chelation Therapy is... to quote Dr Hitendra H Shah... "Chelation therapy is a form of tretment aimed at reducing calcium deposits in the arteries and other parts of the body. The treatmet involves injecting small amounts of an amino acid, disodium ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid (EDTA), into the blood stream through an IV slowly over the course of about 2 - - 3 1/2 hours. This amino acid has the unique and valuable prperty of being powerfully attracted to ionic calcium. When EDTA comes in contact with ionic calcium in the body it binds itself to it. The EDTA calcium complex is then excreted through the kidneys into the urine and through the liver into the intestinal tract, and finally passed out of the body. This binding property of EDTA provides the basis for chelation therapy." To some into alternative medicine Chelation Therapy is an alternative to balloon angioplasty to clear clogged arteries. Or in my brothers case By pass surgery, very intensive and often needs repeating in two - three years. If the patient is well enough and can survive it. I appreciate the constructive comments I received in response to my request for information. As stated previously I have been totally raw for almost 3 years now, did lots of juicing in the first year as well as "cleanses" And so that I don't wind up like the rest of my family (dead or under the knife) I only eat whole foods, fats, avocados, flax seed oil every day and a few nuts plenty of organic fruits and greens. Also two TBS of E3 live Algea daily. Thanks again.....Peace...Kathleen in Colton, CA - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:28:04 EDT From: KathleenDG@aol.com Subject: Re: Caesin ....milk protein?? Yes you are correct, most of times, when a lable states Caesin it is from dairy source. However there is also caesin derived from vegetation. You will see this in soy cheese that states "dairy free". If in doubt, and your attempting to transition away from such food items ..you may wish to skip anything that says caesin in it just to be sure. Hope this helps! Peace...Kathleen in Colton,CA - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:44:25 -0600 From: Jo Yoshida Subject: Re: natures first law getting older >Ego can be more seductive than money >correct me if i'm wrong jo, but i got the impression tom that jo is implying >above that there CAN BE(not is)*** more than**** one reason for a someone's >actions or behavior. Hi Forest - the statement above was written by Mark so he'll know better what he was saying. :) Jo - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:05:54 -0700 From: "Shari V" Subject: RE: chelation therapy Yes, I saw your posts, but maybe I missed something. I understand they flush and heal, but what exactly is being injected or used for the healing. That I did not see. I'm off to bed, so I'll check in the a.m. This fast is turning very strange. No headache until today and it's a doozy. Night night - S "All new models begin with criticism of the current model." Dr. Doug Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com [mailto:owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com]On Behalf Of Forest Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:56 PM To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Subject: Re: chelation therapy Shari V wrote: > > Okay, now I got the injection part, but WHAT are you injecting? S shari, i posted twice some more info on chelation, did you get it? f - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:06:39 -0700 From: "Shari V" Subject: RE: What is chelation therapy, Shari? GOT IT! NOW I'M REALLY GOING TO BED!!! Thanks Kathleen. "All new models begin with criticism of the current model." Dr. Doug Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com [mailto:owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com]On Behalf Of KathleenDG@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:12 PM To: rawlife@rawtimes.com Subject: What is chelation therapy, Shari? Poor Shari dispite repeated attempts no one wants to tell her what Chelation Therapy is... to quote Dr Hitendra H Shah... "Chelation therapy is a form of tretment aimed at reducing calcium deposits in the arteries and other parts of the body. The treatmet involves injecting small amounts of an amino acid, disodium ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid (EDTA), into the blood stream through an IV slowly over the course of about 2 - - 3 1/2 hours. This amino acid has the unique and valuable prperty of being powerfully attracted to ionic calcium. When EDTA comes in contact with ionic calcium in the body it binds itself to it. The EDTA calcium complex is then excreted through the kidneys into the urine and through the liver into the intestinal tract, and finally passed out of the body. This binding property of EDTA provides the basis for chelation therapy." To some into alternative medicine Chelation Therapy is an alternative to balloon angioplasty to clear clogged arteries. Or in my brothers case By pass surgery, very intensive and often needs repeating in two - three years. If the patient is well enough and can survive it. I appreciate the constructive comments I received in response to my request for information. As stated previously I have been totally raw for almost 3 years now, did lots of juicing in the first year as well as "cleanses" And so that I don't wind up like the rest of my family (dead or under the knife) I only eat whole foods, fats, avocados, flax seed oil every day and a few nuts plenty of organic fruits and greens. Also two TBS of E3 live Algea daily. Thanks again.....Peace...Kathleen in Colton, CA - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:49:07 CDT From: "Sue J Harris" Subject: RE: chelation therapy Shari, it is an IV with EDTA in it and other minerals that the doctor feels that the patient needs. My husband took 30 chelation treatments last year for his pyriphil neurophothy (his feet are numb up to his knees). Well, it did nothing for his feet, but he had one of those heart tests last month and they saw that his heart was clear. He had a triple bypass 5 and a half years ago and at that time he was told that he would probably have to have another in 5 years. I attribute the clear veins to the healthier diet that I have him on now. Hope this answers your question. Love, Sue >From: "Shari V" >Reply-To: rawlife@rawtimes.com >To: >Subject: RE: chelation therapy >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:25:43 -0700 > >Okay, now I got the injection part, but WHAT are you injecting? S > >"All new models begin with criticism of the current model." Dr. Doug >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com [mailto:owner-rawlife@rawtimes.com]On >Behalf Of Forest >Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 12:41 PM >To: rawlife@rawtimes.com >Subject: Re: chelation therapy > >in general it is injected for most dramatic effect, however it can be taken >orally as well altho according to one opinion i read it is less effective >that >way. one m2m guy had an address where folks could order from a doctor the >injections and administer for the self at a considerable savings. > >Shari V wrote: > > > > Please, no one has answered my question: what is chelation therapy and >how > > is it administered? Do you eat it? Drink? Inject? I've chelated > > formulas, but haven't a clue what they are about. I'm getting to know >what > > they are used for, but not sure what they "look" like. > > > > Thanks, Shari > >--- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html >subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net > > >--- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html >subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:30:34 -0400 From: rwavery@juno.com Subject: Re: Steaming Cruciferous and Zen Palate's banana Celia, >i asked Gary Null about raw vs steamed, he advocated steaming for the >cruciferous -- broccoli, cauli, even carrots. fyi. i will be going to his >retreat in florida for a week starting July 9. Be sure and tell us all about it when you get back. Marian, >An orthodox doctor wanted to run that instrument up >through my groin to the heart, with using radioactive something to "view" my >problem. I just could not go that route, instead did the chelation and also >drastically improved my diet. My mother went through that procedure once. They didn't find anything serious enough to suggest operating on, but the procedure itself gave her shingles, and it took her a month to recover from it. They could have killed her. >Cod Liver Oil is another >important asset needed for heart health, not only for its Omega 3, but also >for its being an important source for the real Vitamin A, as distinguished >from the pro-Vitamin A we get from green vegetables. The body manufactures its own "vitamin A" (which isn't really a vitamin at all) on an as-needed basis from beta carotene (or what you call pro-vitamin A), which is the true vitamin. Too much vitamin A is toxic to the liver, but beta carotene isn't. >We have all been duped into thinking that all fats are alike; >nothing could be further from the truth! Or that all calcium is alike! Jo, >So are you implying that, because Raw Eating may not be protected by >appropriate copyright laws, that NFL be given carte blanche to its >contents to copyright AS ITS OWN (which they did)?? (*) No. If you reread what I wrote, you will see I implied no such thing. I am only suggesting that they may be legally untouchable. >Man-made or natural laws, you seem to agree that the theft of another >person's creativity for profit is wrong. Am I correct on this? What is wrong is lying about the source of your ideas, whether for profit or not for profit. >And because they respond to requests to sincerely address the matter >with denial, derision and name calling, should we forget about it, >consider it "old history," and hope to heck that the raw food >community's integrity is never questioned by newcomers and the >curious? What is the alternative? To keep discussing it ad nauseum? >(*) If the answer is affirmative to the above query, then how does it >jive with your clear condemnation here? I'm trying to make a distinction between legal and moral responsibilty. The two are not always the same. Just as corporate polluters can legally and knowingly get away with poisoning our environment and killing people with cancer, they can be held by us to be morally responsible for their actions. >By placing my name below the title of a work I wrote? Unfortunately, >it wasn't enough for Arshavir Ter Hovannessian. Probably not. The laws were different then and maybe Iran is a different legal case entirely. >But maybe I'm jumping the gun here. Bob, do you think Nature's First >Law is a plagiarism of Raw Eating? Yes, the evidence seems pretty clearcut to me. I have both books. >If no, then we can agree to disagree. If yes, do you care to help >resolve the issue? If yes, how? Sorry, I don't know how to make someone apologize and attempt to make amends who doesn't want to do so. That's for higher powers than I. Tom, >I am getting the impression that the book "Natures First Law" >is an exact duplicate of the earlier book by Hovanessian call "Raw Eating". >Is this the truth?? It's more like a paragraph-by-paragraph, thought by thought, chapter outline by chapter outline paraphrase of the original. Certain things that are specific to Hovanessian's time and place are omitted, and a few more modern references substituted. It's all pretty clear when you examine them side by side. I find the phraseology in the original more comprehensible, BTW. It isn't as if they improved on it in any discernable way to me. Bob Avery (RWAvery@vegetarians.com) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - --- RAWLIFE- faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net ------------------------------ End of rawlife-digest V1 #284 ***************************** --- RAWLIFE-DIGEST - faq at http://www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html subscriptions, problems, questions, mailto:attuner@bestweb.net